Loose Change - Part II

[Stellafane]

They have one and only one forum rule:

YOU WILL BELIEVE EVERYTHING

You know, I think given the (admittedly awful) choice, I'd prefer to live in a world where everything the 9/11 CT'ers are saying is actually true, than live under the rule of the CT'ers themselves. Even if the Bush administration is capable of doing the things the CT'ers claim, you gotta admit that for the most part, we're free to express ourselves and conduct our lives as we see fit (as exemplified by this forum). Under the regime of TheQuest and his ilk, however, we'd all be in concentration camps by now, or worse.

Someone once accused TheQuest of becoming what he claims to be fighting against. I personally think he's evolved into something far worse. God help us if his way of thinking ever gains power.

 

[ob986s]

Hey hutch

looks like you have been un-banned

payt,

You, hutch and denheer are unbanned.

If you want to continue the thread, go ahead. But remeber to agree to disagree if someone believes otherwise. No sarcasm, no lecturing and no flaming.

Just let it go.

please return your badge

and then go tell Payt to join jref so we can recruit him as a Globalist shill

Jon

 

[Hellbound]

I'd just like to know why The Quest's restrictions aren't applied to the CTers as well.

I mean, you'd think accusations of "shill", and charges of assiting the murderers and such would qualify under "sarcasm, lecturing, or flaming".

Wouldn't be a double-standard, would it?

 

[Ersby]

Hey hutch

looks like you have been un-banned

If you want to continue the thread, go ahead. But remeber to agree to disagree if someone believes otherwise. No sarcasm, no lecturing and no flaming.

Just let it go.

In other words, "Feel free to contribute, but you have to pretend we're right."

Nice.

 

[CFLarsen]

If you want to continue the thread, go ahead. But remeber to agree to disagree if someone believes otherwise. No sarcasm, no lecturing and no flaming.

Yet, they can use sarcasm, lecture and flame us.

What is it with woos that make them feel so superior?

 

[Pardalis]

What is it with woos that make them feel so superior?

They KNOW

 

[NobbyNobbs]

I must admit, I'm more than a little disappointed. I posted the following over on the LC moan hoax page, and no one responded.

I'm a little confused. The claim is that we can send a module into orbit, send an unmanned module into lunar orbit, that the Russians could send an unmanned module down to the surface....but we couldn't land people there?

Secondly, the fact that Armstrong doesn't make public appearances every day of his life doesn't mean he didn't make the trip. J.D. Salinger was a hermit for years, but that doesn't mean he didn't write Catcher In The Rye. Besides, didn't Armstrong recently participate in a detailed biography?

Finally, if NASA *was* going to perform a hoax on such a mammoth scale, don't you think they wouldn't have overlooked all the little details that you claim prove it was a hoax? In other words, if they're smart enough to carry this off, they're smart enough to carry it off right. I doubt an organization with the resources they have would make mistakes that could be caught by a few armchair detectives and a home computer.

Which is worse? Getting banned or simply getting ignored?

 

[Mr. Skinny]

Could someone re-post a link to the moon hoax thread at Loose Change? I didn't see it in the Skeptics Forum, and couldn't be a**ed to look through all of the discussion over there.

Thanks in advance.

 

[XXX]

It's in the "under the bridge" section Mr. Skinny.

 

[Mr. Skinny]

It's in the "under the bridge" section Mr. Skinny.

Thanks, XXX.

And you may call me "Lord High Emperor SkinnyGod" or "government shill" or just "Skinny" in future. That Mister stuff is so formal.

 

[joseph k.]

I must admit, I'm more than a little disappointed. I posted the following over on the LC moan hoax page, and no one responded.




Which is worse? Getting banned or simply getting ignored?

I think I prefer being ignored, having experienced both now. When you are seemingly ignored, there is always the hope that a few are reading your message and that they will then seek the knowledge. When you are banned you have to suffer the childish barbs sent at you with no opportunity to reply. I know I wouldn't mind correcting JFK and DJ Legassy's erroneous and paranoid judgements of me. I do find some ironic humor in the idea that DJ Legassy is sick of my attitude and called me a smartass. Funny that no one has accused him or, say, Jenabell[it's a guy, really!], or any of the other cocky little pseudo sages over there of the exact same, and if I may say, amplified behavior.

eta-typo

 

[Hutch]

Hey hutch

looks like you have been un-banned

Yeah, we'll see for how long.

please return your badge

Heck, didn't even have the chance to sew it on my dress blues!

and then go tell Payt to join jref so we can recruit him as a Globalist shill

Actually, checking his posts, he is firmly in the 9-11 Conspiracy Camp. But he dared to show initiave, intelligence, and most of all, that the US Government was competent at doing something instead than covering it up--and for that he had to pay.

Good grief, they have a thread on Icke and the Lizards and all they can say (to sum up) is: "Well, he has LOTS of GOOD ideas, just this one silly one."

Some of these folks are getting very close to cult-like; I wonder if they even scare Mr. Avery a little bit...

 

[ob986s]

Actually, checking his posts, he is firmly in the 9-11 Conspiracy Camp. But he dared to show initiave, intelligence, and most of all, that the US Government was competent at doing something instead than covering it up--and for that he had to pay.

he is firmly in that camp, but understands logic, reason and facts. it won't be long untill he see's the light, especially if he hangs out on the LC boards for a little while.

Good grief, they have a thread on Icke and the Lizards and all they can say (to sum up) is: "Well, he has LOTS of GOOD ideas, just this one silly one."

Some of these folks are getting very close to cult-like; I wonder if they even scare Mr. Avery a little bit...

I doubt it, if you listened to the call with he and Eric the moan hoaxer you can tell he is one of them. Tinfoil hat and all.

and honestly I bet most of them actually believe the reptoid thing, they just think admitting it will hurt the "truth movement"


Jon

 

[XXX]

Doesn't this line from a thread over there just sum it all up...

Even without seeing the film (and it's very persuasively clear line of questions which lead one to an uncomfortable conclusion):

1) We all have an "innate" sense of how things work in nature. It is this innate sense that leads us to understand laws of physics, such as centrifugal motion, torque, and the like, without having to earn a PhD in the subject. Can any rational, thinking, and most importantly honest person really say that the way the towers fell was not "unusual", and very similar to the way buildings would fall in a demoltion?

Excuse me, I'd like a position as a physics professor. No, I don't have a PHD, but like most other humans I was born with an "innate" sense of how physics works, so I believe I am qualified.

 

[Gravy]

"plaguepuppy" (aka Jeff King) now posting at the LC forums:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4965&view=findpost&p=4977084

Gravy, if we can set up an online (forum-style) debate between you and Jeff, are you game?

Ha! What a moron that guy is. My first reaction was, "jeez, wouldn't it be nice to have someone to debate who is smart enough to know that the north tower "spire" isn't part of the core? (Jeff King thinks it is part of the core.) That's Christophera country."

On the home page of his website, he both touts that incredibly piece of moonbat paranoia by Richard Allen Grove, and shows that he (King) agrees with Grove that the WTC began construction in 1971. Liike Dylan Avery, he's been "researching" this stuff for years. Ugh.

He also apparently big on the idea that the U.S. government controls the weather.

The problem with debating these people is that anyone dumb enough to debate us isn't going to be able to last in the debate, and people who it would be fun to debate (Steven E. Jones, David Ray Griffin et al.) are smart enough that they would never agree to a debate.

edited: spelling

 

[steve s]

It's funny, because he uses as an exemple "centrifugal motion", something a lot of peoples (intuitively) would describe as a "force" even if its not. It's a great exemple of something that is believed "intuitively" but is still very wrong.

I was going to post over there an explanation of why centrifugal force is just an illusion, but someone (mirts) beat me to it. Is that you?

From that same thread, posted by Popol Vuh...

I believe that people committed these acts because these acts took place. And I believe I have a good idea of who's behind them, not because hard evidence in the form of fingerprints and confessions, but by the benefits gained in the aftermath- in resources, territory, reproduction, survival and confort.

Territory? Reproduction?! Wow. What does that even mean? These guys are really grasping at straws.

Steve S.

 

[Manny]

OK, I finally got around to seeing the LC3 preview dealie. Well, OK, I didn't see the whole thing, but I caught the front end of each scene to see what was going on.

He's making it up. He says that this thing "started" as a project to get into film school. I say it's still a project to get into film school. An elaborate piece of performance art to see who he can get in on his "movement." It is literally impossible to believe as many factually false things as he claims to believe. I predict that LC3 will be a big "ha ha, joke's on you" compilation of his sycophants looking like idiots at the public appearances he's arranged.

 

[Manny]

Territory? Reproduction?! Wow. What does that even mean?

What, you think Clinton is the only President to diddle the interns? Bush is walking back to the steno pool and asking "who wants to see some shock and awe, baby?"

 

[Gravy]

From that same thread, posted by Popol Vuh...
Territory? Reproduction?! Wow. What does that even mean? These guys are really grasping at straws.
Steve S.

I for one am very glad that popul vuh doesn't know what reproduction means.

 

[Pidge]

One word: Jeb.

Quit it, will ya?

That's not funny ;-)