Loose Change - Part II

[Kiwiwriter]

That key knife

That would have to be a very long knife. (I couldn't help myself )

Yes, it would stretch from Newark to Scranton.

 

[60hzxtl]

I just watched Mark's Part 7, and I think the CT'ers missed what really brought the WTC down: at 8:34 the fireman from the Naudet Bros film (remember them? ) mentions "a huge cloud of ◊◊◊◊"

How did we not see this?

It was the huge cloud of s*it that did the damage.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Questions, questions, questions

I agree with you for the most part, and if SBrown meant no harm, all well and good.

Perhaps I'm a bit touchy, but so many CT questions sound reasonable at first but tend to the over simplistic. I'll guess that they are meant less to gain information or insight and more to produce a measure of doubt on the part of the audience. Let's look at the one we're discussing:

"Doesn't the Pentagon have a missile defense system?"

Hmm, seems like they should. It's the Pentagon, the nation's center for defense. Defense is what goes on there. Why, they must have the best defense that budgetary dollars can buy! The best in the world!

But hey, they were attacked. Successfully, too. Something's not right here. Somthing's not right here at all...

You see? The question is suggestive.

Now, I can't prove that SBrown is up to shenanigans with his/her "question" without more info or a display of a continued pattern of behavior (see: geggy). For your reminder of this basic requirement of discourse, thanks.

I have similar problems with Holocaust deniers...and oddly, to a lesser extent with the media and the general public in my job. The public likes to ask the "trap question," which is: "What is the phone number for thus-and-such?"

I answer, and they snarl, "Well, I called that number five times and they're always busy!"

And I have to answer, "Well, if you had started off by saying 'I called that number and it's always busy,' I would have given you a different number. Instead you asked the 'trap question.'"

The media does this, too...expecting me to comment on some statement I haven't heard yet.

Holocaust deniers do it very well...the little question, "Does the Wannsee Protocol really call for the extermination of the Jews?" And after some chitchat you find out his real intention, he'll say, "Look at the protocol more closely," or "Look at this website," which is a denier site.

It's tough...when is a guy just learning and when is a guy trolling? I'm not a mind-reader, but neither are the guys who call themselves mind-readers.

 

[Belz...]

Looking at Dylan in CBS or hearing his voice on the radio, the personality displayed in the bar scene was very Out of Character for Dylan. I would've believed it more if he said "I mean" twenty times within a span of 10 seconds.

 

[ZouPrime]

In a previous post here I was saying how so many of the CTers beliefs are built around a naive trust into what we call "common sense". This post on the LC forum shows it very well:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5207

1) We all have an "innate" sense of how things work in nature. It is this innate sense that leads us to understand laws of physics, such as centrifugal motion, torque, and the like, without having to earn a PhD in the subject. Can any rational, thinking, and most importantly honest person really say that the way the towers fell was not "unusual", and very similar to the way buildings would fall in a demoltion?

It's funny, because he uses as an exemple "centrifugal motion", something a lot of peoples (intuitively) would describe as a "force" even if its not. It's a great exemple of something that is believed "intuitively" but is still very wrong.

I also like the use of the word "unusual". It is "not usual", meaning it is not similar to other events of the same nature. But most of us have little to no experience in observing planes crash on building the size of the WTCs, and seeing these building collapse. We are certainly not "used" to see things like that. So in this context, "unusual" is a completely vaccuous term, since there's no frame of reference.

 

[Belz...]

Yea, I just saw that too. I don't understand why they are claiming the "squibs" are comming from the (partially obcured) second tower; the video clearly shows the explosion of the plane crashing to the left with "UA-175 COLPISCE LA 2e TORRE" in big letters (which is italian for "UA-175 hits the second tower").

Can't these people read? It's written right there on the video! Pathetic.

What you see is a high up shot of the first tower already hit and smoking, the first tower is partially obscuring the 2nd tower (to the left) which is yet to be hit by a plane, but it is smoking dense black smoke from two parallel squibs??!! Two further parallel and suspicious squibs are then emitted slightly lower down before the plane hits. We then see the fireball as the plane hits and further squibs being emitted.

Err... isn't the south tower to the left of the screen ?? The smoking part is STILL the north tower!!

 

[Belz...]

It's funny, because he uses as an exemple "centrifugal motion", something a lot of peoples (intuitively) would describe as a "force" even if its not. It's a great exemple of something that is believed "intuitively" but is still very wrong.

Indeed. He also forgets to mention quantum physics and relativity.

Intuition is a very poor tool for discerning truth.

 

[60hzxtl]

Indeed. He also forgets to mention quantum physics and relativity.

Intuition is a very poor tool for discerning truth.

I knew that!

 

[joseph k.]

Your account has been temporarily suspended. This suspension is due to end on Jul 2 2006, 05:43 AM.

I guess the cat's out of the bag. I am notingsoc!

To clarify, I am nowhere near D.C., I am not a gov't shill or really much of a gov't apologist[except by accident in this case].

I guess these kids can add proxy servers, cool little programs like tor and privoxy to their list of ignorant misconception.

p.s. I am at least consoled by the badge I have headed my way!

 

[chipmunk stew]

I just checked the status of my original "chipmunk stew" LC membership by trying to log in. Originally, I'd been suspended until the end of May. Now?

Your account has been temporarily suspended. This suspension is due to end on Feb 22 2009, 08:41 PM.

 

[RyanRoberts]

Got uncritical coverage in The Madison Capital Times as a guest editorial.

 

[dubfan]

Now getting coverage The Madison Capital Times as a guest editorial. Disgusting.

Yeah, more of this Morgan Reynolds character. I think I'm going to be physically ill.

He's an economist, btw, but that doesn't stop Roxdog from citing his shoddy "rebuttal" of Frank Greening's work.

Somebody with an unsuspended account, please get in there. This is driving me crazy.

 

[Hutch]

Guess I pushed it to far. Can't log in, can even view the bloody Loose Change board. Only thing I get is:

Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board

Bet it was TheQuest that got me. Betcha further he'll ban all the folks arguing with him on the moon hoax.

Well, it was quite an experience while it lasted...

 

[joseph k.]

I just checked the status of my original "chipmunk stew" LC membership by trying to log in. Originally, I'd been suspended until the end of May. Now?

Sheesh. You're dangerous! It seems they may be cleaning house of any suspected JREF ninjas, as well as anyone who's ip is bounced off of Washington.
Maybe after I recover from the loss, I will create notingsoc part deux. [I may have to practice more clandestinity this mission]

 

[aggle-rithm]

That, and it's easy to pick out from the air.

And the hijackers STILL had to come around for a second pass.

I'm guessing the DC and Pennsylvania hijackers weren't their "A" team.

 

[kookbreaker]

Guess I pushed it to far. Can't log in, can even view the bloody Loose Change board. Only thing I get is:



Bet it was TheQuest that got me. Betcha further he'll ban all the folks arguing with him on the moon hoax.

Well, it was quite an experience while it lasted...

I keep wondering how many times the Loose Change children can keep wetting their pants and still function in society.

Oh wait, they don't.

 

[dubfan]

Guess I pushed it to far. Can't log in, can even view the bloody Loose Change board.

Clear the invisionfree cookies in your browser and you should be good to go -- at least to be able to view the board.

Although, being able to read and not reply to the rank stupidity over there is its own form of torture.

 

[Abbyas]

Yeah, the skeptics forum over there has gotten very boring now that the moderators have kicked out all dissenters.

It's just a bunch of "Skeptics answer this!" with no skeptics left to answer.

 

[chipmunk stew]

"plaguepuppy" (aka Jeff King) now posting at the LC forums:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4965&view=findpost&p=4977084

Gravy, if we can set up an online (forum-style) debate between you and Jeff, are you game?

 

[aggle-rithm]

No kidding. If I were running an opressive, totalitarian government secret agency, the first thing I'd do to stop people from exposing a dark secrete is crash the hard drive of their snottiest, whiniest, most pathetic mouthbreathing member of the would be 'exposers'. Beats death squads for sure!

Especially America's death squads, which, in fact, do exist, but are required by government quotas to hire only severly handicapped minorities from South Dakota. They aren't very effective, to be honest.