Loose Change - Part II

[aggle-rithm]

It's exciting, I've never been suspended from a forum before! I have decided to blame the Illuminati.

Hey! We had nothing to do with it!

ETA: Dang, too slow!

 

[chucksheen]

The writing is on the wall. The cat is out of the bag.

If you can prove the pancake theory, Jimmy Walters will reward you with $1,000,000. ReOpen911.org.

UniversalSeed.org, for all your truth needs.

 

[kookbreaker]

Uh-oh! Double Illuminati claim posts!

 

[aggle-rithm]

Hey, don't blame us! We had nothing to do with this one!!

Um, that is, if we existed we wwouldn't have had anything to...Um..

I mean, ah...if the Illuminati existed, they, ah, would have had nothing to do with this.

Yeah, that's it.

I've never seen you at the meetings!

Not that there ARE meetings....

 

[Hellbound]

I've never seen you at the meetings!

Not that there ARE meetings....

Wait, are you Illuminati People's Front? Or the People's Illuminati Front? Or the People's Front of Illuminati?

Please don't tell me you're part of that wussy Front of Illuminati Peoples!!!!

 

[kookbreaker]

The writing is on the wall. The cat is out of the bag.

The pontoon is one the river..yadda.yadda.yadda.

If you can prove the pancake theory, Jimmy Walters will reward you with $1,000,000. ReOpen911.org.

No thanks. Like Ken Hovind's bogus 'challenge' I consider proving things to deliberately ignorant people with absurd standards to be a waste of time.

UniversalSeed.org, for all your truth needs.

Why are there so many lies on your source for truth?

 

[aggle-rithm]

Wait, are you Illuminati People's Front? Or the People's Illuminati Front? Or the People's Front of Illuminati?

Please don't tell me you're part of that wussy Front of Illuminati Peoples!!!!

The Illuminati Frontispiece. It's a splinter group.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Thanks for the note

Welcome, Kiwiwriter. Your insights are very much appreciated here.

Happy to help out. As I say, after 25 years in journalism, growing up in a science-minded household, I have little tolerance for frauds, quacks, demented ideoogues, conspiracy theorists, and con men.

Most of my work in this field (which isn't much) actually deals with Holocaust deniers and their ilk, who share many of the character traits of the 9/11 whackos, down to the conspiracy theory claims...Holocaust deniers create a topsy-turvy world where a vast and unseen Jewish conspiracy has fabricated a Holocaust myth for various nefarious purposes, 9/11 nuts do the same thing with the attacks on America.

Both seem to be fueled heavily by anti-Semitism, as far as I can tell. It's interesting to see how web pages like iamthewitness.com, which is full of vicious anti-Semitic material, or Stormfront, blast the Jews and the events of 9/11. The general theory is that the Jews are behind it all.

I wrote a column about the "mythical Jewish conspiracy" at my web page at http://davidhlippman.wildbillguarnere.com which goes into this in more detail.

I sure wish there was one...it would make my life easier, as I wrote on the page.

Three questions for the veterans around here: how does the ranking system work, second, when can I put in a signature block and an avatar?

Third, my other favorite paranormal lunacies are psychic "predictions" and the Bermuda Triangle. I haven't heard much about the latter lately. Is there a thread about it on this site?

 

[Abbyas]

Wow! "Bloodthirsty racist"? I'm jealous. Do you have a link to that thread?

Would show you if I could, but I can't even read the thing. If I try, I get the suspended error message. But it was along the lines of Jennabel asking me to let go of my hate. Kind of a reverse Emperor Palpatine.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Thanks to you too!

Nice post, man. Welcome.

Thanks for that welcome. Interesting bunch of folks here. It's actually quite refreshing.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Would show you if I could, but I can't even read the thing. If I try, I get the suspended error message. But it was along the lines of Jennabel asking me to let go of my hate. Kind of a reverse Emperor Palpatine.

Delete the cookie from invisionfree.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Doubleplusgoodful duckspeak!

Loose change forum rectify. Milliplentyfy skeptic thoughtcrime. Rectify. Skeptic unperson. Minitrue forum plusgood Goodthink. Dylan Avery doubleplusgood!

Wow! You got it exactly! Winston Smith would be proud.

Unfortunately, you will have to visit Room 101. I hope they believe me when I tell them that my greatest fear involves having a bunch of my favorite actresses and me in a ritzy hotel room.

A more serious note on "1984," for anyone who doesn't know...when Eric Blair Jr. wrote that on a Scottish island, he was very sick with the TB that ultimately killed him. He said as he was finishing the book that if he hadn't been so sick, it might not have been so bleak.

There is also a clue that "Oceania" ultimately falls. Note the essay at the end about "Newspeak." It's written in the past tense, as if "Newspeak" is an old and dead language, being reviewed by a scholar of the future. Interesting.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

WTC debris and remains

Also, present your evidence that it "fell within it's own footprint", especially since your earlier statements contended that pieces of steel were thrown "hundreds of yards from the building". Also in light of the fact that buildings over a huge area were damaged by the fall, and photos of the aftermath clearly show debris shtrewn for a wide area outside the footprint.

A very wide area...they were finding bits of WTC debris and paper on Brooklyn's Ocean Parkway. I remember someone finding a waybill from Bank of New Zealand lying on that road. It stood out in my mind because that's my bank back in New Zealand.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Most of my work in this field (which isn't much) actually deals with Holocaust deniers and their ilk, who share many of the character traits of the 9/11 whackos, down to the conspiracy theory claims...Holocaust deniers create a topsy-turvy world where a vast and unseen Jewish conspiracy has fabricated a Holocaust myth for various nefarious purposes, 9/11 nuts do the same thing with the attacks on America.

And in some cases they're the same person.

See: Eric Hufschmid (and roll in moon-hoaxer while you're at it)

Welcome to the forums, Kiwiwriter.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Delete the cookie from invisionfree.

I think the cookie's actually called "Loose_Change_Forum".

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I think the cookie's actually called "Loose_Change_Forum".

Ah, the plugin I use with Firefox shows the domain info, not cookie name. My bad.

 

[kalen]

The Illuminati Frontispiece. It's a splinter group.

SPLITTERS!!

 

[Pardalis]

Welcome Kiwiwriter

What amuses and frightens me at the same time about these conspiracy theories is that they all seem to wind down to the same basic idea, in the end: rehashing the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion." In the end, they all blame the same target: Satan's tools, the evil Jews.

I really don't understand why this particular ethnic group/religion is always the target for such accusations, throughout history. Good thing you have kept your sense of humour about it!


Welcome Mutton-Head

Our first is task to determine: “What happened?” It’s not yet our job to determine “Who did it?” or “How many were involved?” or “How much did they spend?” or “Why did they do it?” These questions would be premature at this point.

The next step then, would be to find out where this extra force came from. Explosives are the only plausible explanation that I can come up with. This also would solve the problem that the building collapsed symmetrically in its own foot-print. This has NEVER happened spontaneously, from a fire, or earthquake, or hurricane, or plane crash. But we have seen it occur hundreds of times from controlled demolitions. (Explosives inside the building at predetermined locations, exploded in a predetermined sequence.)

Aren't you jumping to conclusions here? Are "explosions" really the only possible conclusion to all your physics and "maths"?

This "second step", as you call it, inevitably leads to the third step, wich is to ask ourselves who on earth could possibly have planted these explosives, when and why and how? All these questions to me are completely absurd.

I'm in no way a physicist, or even a scientist, so you can take my opinion for what it's worth, but wouldn't the "pancaking effect" cause an increase of energy, adding more wheight and force as every floor collapse onto the next?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

SPLITTERS!!

Wait... was that the Peoples' Front of Judea, or the Judean Peoples' Front?

 

[Tailgater]

I ran across this site, and had to comment

Forget for a moment the “conspiracy theory.” I always like to take it a step at a time. Let’s pretend we’re on CSI. (I think I’ve seen one episode.) Our first is task to determine: “What happened?” It’s not yet our job to determine “Who did it?” or “How many were involved?” or “How much did they spend?” or “Why did they do it?” These questions would be premature at this point.


When an object falls to earth.......blah blah....saving space
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This thread would not exist if we used the CSI method. It exists because loose change starts with "who did it?" and "why". Then goes to find reasons "how".

You are not adding the additional floors to your equation. If anything, it should accelerate as it goes down. More mass=more force to the rest of tower as it falls. I laugh when I see the picture of the towers with the arrows and caption saying "this has to smash this in this many seconds." That's like 3rd grade thinking.

The building was designed NOT to fall over even when one side loses support!!!!! It could only fall into itself!!!! Think there is an engineer report on NOVA that was earlier in thread that discussed it. Wasn't a bias piece on 911, but actually went in to the design of it. Sorry no time to look, maybe someone can link it. The thing was buillt like a vertical suspension bridge that also helped with its speed in falling.

A train derailed 15 houses down from me. I found a piece of metal in my yard. The train wasn't the tallest in the world. So what? Stuff crashing=stuff flying all over the place.

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