Loose Change - Part II

[60hzxtl]

9/11 CT swill on the verge of destroying a family:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5267&view=findpost&p=4920665

Someone who still has an active account, please try talking some sense into this man before he loses his family and friends.

Poor ol' Jerry seems to need an intervention there!

He tried to hook up with an old girl friend with LC and she wasn't seduced!

(Does she have a tomcat basher too? I've learned not to play with Fire!)

He doesn't want help. He wants to be adored. (See previous Feeeelings comments.)

He wants to be the smartest person in the room - and there's a bin of 'em over there, chasing nothing, hoping to catch it, or be the latest one to see it.

 

[dubfan]

What is the most powerful evidence? Facts only!

Don't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

[delphi_ote]

I agree with your post. What bothers me the most, though, is that in order to posit a theoretical evil, the Loosers have to ignore a real evil that has been spitting and snarling in their face for years, and that all evidence says is guilty of real mass murder.

There's also a very real danger in this mentality that wants so badly to see the world in simplistic, black and white or good and evil. Everyone has to fit into one category or the other. You all saw how quickly the Looser crowd sent a swarm of harassing e-mails to the Naudet brothers. They did the simple math, labeled them, and went on the offensive.

It's a sort of superstition, this is dehumanizing propaganda that teaches us a certain group of our fellow species are "the enemy" and are therefore the source of all of the misfortunes that plague the human condition. Like throwing spilled salt over his shoulder to blind an onlooking demon, by tracking down this conspiracy and rooting it out the conspiracy theorist gains control and understand of his misfortunes. He always has someone to blame when something goes wrong. It's never fate or bad luck or even himself. It's that faceless, omnipresent "enemy" at fault.

Inevitably, the rhetoric in conspiracy groups becomes more heated. What starts as curious musings foments rage and hatred. Then it's only a matter of time before the more dissilusioned members take violent action against the perceived source of evil. Murdering those responsible for every horrible thing one hears about in the news isn't madness, it's logic. Paranoia has a tragic breaking point. The JFK assasination. The Church burnings in the South. The Oklahoma City Bombings. The Beltway sniper. The Holocaust. The Columbine shootings. The Rawandan Genocide. I'm sure you can think of dozens of other examples. We see the beginnings of it already in the Loose Change crowd with the e-mails Avery mentioned threatening violence against the lawyers. If you take a few steps back, you can see it's exactly the same mentality that caused 15 Saudis, an Egyptian, two Emirati, and a Lebanese man to unleash the very destruction Avery's movie is about.

Not only are these hate groups and conspiracy nuts causing some to ignore the danger posed by other paranoid radicals, they can very easily become dangerous paranoid radicals themselves.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Poor ol' Jerry seems to need an intervention there!

He tried to hook up with an old girl friend with LC and she wasn't seduced!

(Does she have a tomcat basher too? I've learned not to play with Fire!)

He doesn't want help. He wants to be adored. (See previous Feeeelings comments.)

He wants to be the smartest person in the room - and there's a bin of 'em over there, chasing nothing, hoping to catch it, or be the latest one to see it.

Another relationship headed for collapse:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5239&view=findpost&p=4916842

 

[delphi_ote]

9/11 CT swill on the verge of destroying a family:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5267&view=findpost&p=4920665

Someone who still has an active account, please try talking some sense into this man before he loses his family and friends.

That is tragic. It sounds like the guy is at a bad spot in his life. If anyone does contact him, this conspiracy thing needs to be low on the list of priorities. He needs some understanding and friendship from outside the conspiracy theory group first. My account isn't un-suspended for a couple more days.

Sadly, I imagine I could find a very simiar post if I looked on a Scientologist web forum.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

delphi ote, your post #963 above is well spoken, as usual.

Another relationship headed for collapse:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5239&view=findpost&p=4916842

And immediately after hers, KILL YOUR TV! and jenabell contributed posts that make me want to spontaneously combust. Well, except for the fact it wouldn't be spontaneous, I suppose. Willfully combust! Intentionally combust!

Flame on!

 

[bob_kark]

That is tragic. It sounds like the guy is at a bad spot in his life. If anyone does contact him, this conspiracy thing needs to be low on the list of priorities. He needs some understanding and friendship from outside the conspiracy theory group first. My account isn't un-suspended for a couple more days.

Sadly, I imagine I could find a very simiar post if I looked on a Scientologist web forum.

If I was at home, I'd love to accept the mission. The LC forum is blocked at work for some crazy reason.

 

[aggle-rithm]

That is tragic. It sounds like the guy is at a bad spot in his life. If anyone does contact him, this conspiracy thing needs to be low on the list of priorities. He needs some understanding and friendship from outside the conspiracy theory group first. My account isn't un-suspended for a couple more days.

Sadly, I imagine I could find a very simiar post if I looked on a Scientologist web forum.

"Advice" from the forum:

I had a similar experience. The Key here is to never to speak about possible theories, or "what really happened" but just to underline the questions.

The Key to what? Driving your loved ones insane?

 

[Manny]

If I was at home, I'd love to accept the mission. The LC forum is blocked at work for some crazy reason.

Heh. I can see the site but they're not getting a hold of my work IP if I can help it.

Speaking of which: WARNING!!!

Persons who post to the Loosers from work or are considering doing so should check out the second post of this thread. The Looser moderators have contempt for the basic rules of netiquette as regards on-line privacy and will post your IP lookup for everyone to see. So unless you want to see your employer's domain name and your IT head's name and number displayed for all to see I recommend caution.

 

[60hzxtl]

I also just got a spyware notice when over there.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

What is the most powerful evidence? Facts only!

Don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Dear Loose Change forum member:

Please take a moment and register at the JREF. Then, in this thread (or what will likely be the soon to be started Pt. 17) post your "fact(s)" or question, one at a time, sticking as best you can to the subject of your choosing. You will enjoy thoughtful and interesting discussion, likely to challenge not only your point, or belief, but also your critical thinking methods.

Be advised you will not be banned (as long as you adhere to the fair and impartial forum rules), but you will no doubt be treated with a high degree of tenacity. Unsupported allegations, innuendo, leading questions, logical fallacies, and other techniques will no doubt be pointed out to you. As you should if you encounter them here or anywhere else.

This is not a "challenge," but rather an invitation. The welcome mat is out.

RK

 

[Gravy]

If I was at home, I'd love to accept the mission. The LC forum is blocked at work for some crazy reason.

Man, they've really chumped the kark over there!

 

[kookbreaker]

Man, they've really chumped the kark over there!

/Throws rocks at Gravy

 

[bob_kark]

Man, they've really chumped the kark over there!

Wow, that was bad enough for me to laugh.

 

[Ramooone]

That's absolutely the attraction of CTs to at least some people. The just don't want to believe that the world is a random, chaotic place where weird stuff happens despite what we think are precautions against them. They want a world where somebody, somewhere, is in control even if that somebody is sometimes malevolent. (Insert shot at religion here.)

Heh. Heh. Heh.

In other Bugs Bunny news, I was at a bar this weekend called the Spuyten Duyvel, which I used to think was just something funny which Bugs Bunny said. As it happens, the bar is no where near the actual Spuyten Duyvil, but their beer selection more than makes up for any geographic confusion they may cause.

thats one of my favorite bars to go to. i've probably seen you there and didnt notice hahaha.

 

[Belz...]

What is the most powerful evidence? Facts only!

Don't know whether to laugh or cry.

I particularily like this quote from our beloved "TheQuest":

3. What are the chances that THREE buildinds 'collapsed' in their own footprint on 911 within hours of each other, suppossedly due to fire when it had not even happened ONCE before! With odds like that, buy your lottery tickets now.

This doesn't even start to make sense. Obviously, every single event in history, with all its little details, only occured once. Crash two airliners into 110 storey buildings for the first time and you're bound to end up with a precedent.

ETA: I also like the "someone is covering for someone" comment, as according to their theory, EVERYONE is covering for EVERYONE, which makes the troothers a little out of the loop.

 

[Belz...]

There's also a very real danger in this mentality that wants so badly to see the world in simplistic, black and white or good and evil. Everyone has to fit into one category or the other. You all saw how quickly the Looser crowd sent a swarm of harassing e-mails to the Naudet brothers. They did the simple math, labeled them, and went on the offensive.

It's a sort of superstition, this is dehumanizing propaganda that teaches us a certain group of our fellow species are "the enemy" and are therefore the source of all of the misfortunes that plague the human condition. Like throwing spilled salt over his shoulder to blind an onlooking demon, by tracking down this conspiracy and rooting it out the conspiracy theorist gains control and understand of his misfortunes. He always has someone to blame when something goes wrong. It's never fate or bad luck or even himself. It's that faceless, omnipresent "enemy" at fault.

Inevitably, the rhetoric in conspiracy groups becomes more heated. What starts as curious musings foments rage and hatred. Then it's only a matter of time before the more dissilusioned members take violent action against the perceived source of evil. Murdering those responsible for every horrible thing one hears about in the news isn't madness, it's logic. Paranoia has a tragic breaking point. The JFK assasination. The Church burnings in the South. The Oklahoma City Bombings. The Beltway sniper. The Holocaust. The Columbine shootings. The Rawandan Genocide. I'm sure you can think of dozens of other examples. We see the beginnings of it already in the Loose Change crowd with the e-mails Avery mentioned threatening violence against the lawyers. If you take a few steps back, you can see it's exactly the same mentality that caused 15 Saudis, an Egyptian, two Emirati, and a Lebanese man to unleash the very destruction Avery's movie is about.

Not only are these hate groups and conspiracy nuts causing some to ignore the danger posed by other paranoid radicals, they can very easily become dangerous paranoid radicals themselves.

Very well said, Delphi... I mean... master. 100% agreed. Now where's that LC laughing smiley...

 

[Hellbound]

So true, Belz.

I mean, what are the chances that MANY nuclear warheads were set off at DIFFERENT times in MULTIPLE places, all of DIFFERING construction and ALL of the resulting explosions produced IDENTICAL mushroom clouds, when it had not even happened ONCE before!

What are the chances that SEVERAL fixed-wing aircraft 'flew' a short distance within months of each other, supposedly due to inventors working on the problems, when it had not even happened ONCE before!

Of course, I am part of THE CONSPIRACY, so can't be trusted

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

So true, Belz.

I mean, what are the chances that MANY nuclear warheads were set off at DIFFERENT times in MULTIPLE places, all of DIFFERING construction and ALL of the resulting explosions produced IDENTICAL mushroom clouds, when it had not even happened ONCE before!

What are the chances that SEVERAL fixed-wing aircraft 'flew' a short distance within months of each other, supposedly due to inventors working on the problems, when it had not even happened ONCE before!

Of course, I am part of THE CONSPIRACY, so can't be trusted

It's like some perverse mutation of the Gambler's Fallacy.

 

[ob986s]

There's also a very real danger in this mentality that wants so badly to see the world in simplistic, black and white or good and evil. Everyone has to fit into one category or the other. You all saw how quickly the Looser crowd sent a swarm of harassing e-mails to the Naudet brothers. They did the simple math, labeled them, and went on the offensive.

It's a sort of superstition, this is dehumanizing propaganda that teaches us a certain group of our fellow species are "the enemy" and are therefore the source of all of the misfortunes that plague the human condition. Like throwing spilled salt over his shoulder to blind an onlooking demon, by tracking down this conspiracy and rooting it out the conspiracy theorist gains control and understand of his misfortunes. He always has someone to blame when something goes wrong. It's never fate or bad luck or even himself. It's that faceless, omnipresent "enemy" at fault.

Inevitably, the rhetoric in conspiracy groups becomes more heated. What starts as curious musings foments rage and hatred. Then it's only a matter of time before the more dissilusioned members take violent action against the perceived source of evil. Murdering those responsible for every horrible thing one hears about in the news isn't madness, it's logic. Paranoia has a tragic breaking point. The JFK assasination. The Church burnings in the South. The Oklahoma City Bombings. The Beltway sniper. The Holocaust. The Columbine shootings. The Rawandan Genocide. I'm sure you can think of dozens of other examples. We see the beginnings of it already in the Loose Change crowd with the e-mails Avery mentioned threatening violence against the lawyers. If you take a few steps back, you can see it's exactly the same mentality that caused 15 Saudis, an Egyptian, two Emirati, and a Lebanese man to unleash the very destruction Avery's movie is about.

Not only are these hate groups and conspiracy nuts causing some to ignore the danger posed by other paranoid radicals, they can very easily become dangerous paranoid radicals themselves.

That is precisely what I have been thinking about this "Truth" movement. How long is it before one of these guys, fueled on by their idiot fellow "truthers" actually harms someone. I honestly believe that it is only a matter of time at this point.