Well that, and the fact that at least one of us also works there. iirc, we also have a few other civil servants on the ninja staff...
Loose Change - Part II
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Well that, and the fact that at least one of us also works there. iirc, we also have a few other civil servants on the ninja staff...
kookbreaker
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Do you always act like a spoiled child when your questions get answered?
brodski
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Maybe I should start to regale you all with my SIS (AKA "MI6") stories.
Or not.
They're not that interesting, but enough to have me labeld as a government plant.
Spoiled Brat ?
If anyone is acting like a mommys boy it sure fits your profile, Spookie.
I state my opinions and questions and you keep harping on the english and grammer almost like your more about insults rather than rational points of view on an incidednt that I went through rather than some jerkoff who saw it on tv from the comfort of your living room, Spookie.
You remind me of the other jerkoff who critises the 9-11 widows. I won't even give her the satisfaction of mentioning her name cause shes a skel much like you, spookie.
Have a nice day
Sentinel
If anyone is acting like a mommys boy it sure fits your profile, Spookie.
I state my opinions and questions and you keep harping on the english and grammer almost like your more about insults rather than rational points of view on an incidednt that I went through rather than some jerkoff who saw it on tv from the comfort of your living room, Spookie.
You remind me of the other jerkoff who critises the 9-11 widows. I won't even give her the satisfaction of mentioning her name cause shes a skel much like you, spookie.
Have a nice day
Sentinel
This is neither civil nor polite. Stop the insults.
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Hellbound
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The reason people keep harping on your spelling and grammar is because you aren't making any sense.
In order for your questions to be answered, we must understand what the h3ll you're actually asking.
Of course, it seems that asking for clarification results in insults from you.
So, if you want answers, try to ask specific questions, preferably providing references to the incidents you're discussing and/or asking about, so we can tell what it is you want to know.
And sorry, but very few people here are "spooks", unless you're a paranoid schizophrenic.
kookbreaker
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IKYABWAI
And I answered the ones that could be understood.
If I cannot understand you, I cannot answer you.
I wasn't insulting until you started throwing this tantrum. Read my first reply, just because I comment that some of your questions are unreadable does not mean I am insulting you.
Oh, you were there, personally? I rather doubt that.
Ah yes, comparing yourself favorably to people who lost loved ones that day whilst trying to paint me as a having a politcal bent you loathe, but that I do not subscribe to.
With that, Sentinel goes into the Ingnore file.
Awwww
You can believe what ever makes you feel better. But, If you want to discuss what I was doing there you can bring it up with Comm Kelly NYPD and Comm Skepetta FDNY.
I was the regional SIGINT at West and W.Houston THV (if you even know what that is) under Dep Chief Ginn and for the next 2 weeks at West and Vessey. I arrived 84 on the scene right as the N/T was collapsing and eat the concrete and asbestes and glass and people and mercury and lead and the other great ***** that we all had for breakfast.
You mr spook can only dream about it.
So if you feel the need give them a call.
Have a nice day
Sentinel
You can believe what ever makes you feel better. But, If you want to discuss what I was doing there you can bring it up with Comm Kelly NYPD and Comm Skepetta FDNY.
I was the regional SIGINT at West and W.Houston THV (if you even know what that is) under Dep Chief Ginn and for the next 2 weeks at West and Vessey. I arrived 84 on the scene right as the N/T was collapsing and eat the concrete and asbestes and glass and people and mercury and lead and the other great ***** that we all had for breakfast.
You mr spook can only dream about it.
So if you feel the need give them a call.
Have a nice day
Sentinel
Brainster
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Al Qaeda Acknowledges Responsibility for 9-11 Again
And announces the identity of the 20th hijacker:
Muteiri was killed in an attack in Saudi Arabia and (I am hopeful) is currently rotting inside a pig's skin.
You think by the time Loose Change: The Final Cut is released Dylan will be reduced to claiming that Flight 93 was shot down?
And announces the identity of the 20th hijacker:
Muteiri was killed in an attack in Saudi Arabia and (I am hopeful) is currently rotting inside a pig's skin.
You think by the time Loose Change: The Final Cut is released Dylan will be reduced to claiming that Flight 93 was shot down?
Arkan_Wolfshade
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I'd guess either Mr. Spock's half-cousin, or a synonym for shill.
Hutch
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Ok, breaking into the insult-fest and trying to get back on-topic...
I believe Sentinel is referring to the picture posted earlier in this thread showing the piece of road equipment that dug deeply into a bridge floor (concrete and metal)--I am not even sure if it was this thread.
The answer always comes back to Force + Mass x Acceleration. If that 200 Ton airline moving at 500 MPH had sufficient mass and acceleration at the point of impact, it was going into the building. I have yet to see any math disproving that it would not happen the way it did.
I am sorry, Sentinel, but I am not aware of that hypothesis; could you please elaborate on this one.
Now this is something that can probably be tested or at least discussed using mathematics and known values. If someone can come up with the explosive power of JP4 when ignitiing 10,000 gallons (and of course not all of it would ignite at once, and some of it might be still be bulk liquid and some spread out in a fuel-air mixture). Anybody up to some calculating?
As pointed out, the fuel tanks are located in the wings and central area of the aircraft, not in the front portion. The tanks would have had to rupture upon entry and then an ignition source would have had to ignite the fuel. Meanwhile at least some of the fuel is still travelling at an appreciable fraction of the 500MPH speed (that old man Newton, again). Given that the building was only about 208 Ft across (IIRC, please correct me if I am wrong) the fuel/wreckage, ignition sources (engine heat, for example) would cross that space in:
500MPH = 733.5 Feet per Second (FPS)
400MPH = 586.8 FPS
300MPH = 440.1 FPS
So it seems plausible that the fuel, exploding forward as the tanks ruptured, would be able to explode out of the building in the manner we saw. But I am willing to listen to your conclusions if the above is not satisfactory.
That I will have to leave to those more expert than myself. I do not know, but disasters are not predictable and in complete chaos there is often a oddball thing or two that seems to defy logic. Like that poor prisoner in Martinique when Mt. Pelee blew and killed every other living soul in town in the early 1900's.
Thanks, but not today; I have to clean my bathroom..
Sentinel[/QUOTE]
I believe Sentinel is referring to the picture posted earlier in this thread showing the piece of road equipment that dug deeply into a bridge floor (concrete and metal)--I am not even sure if it was this thread.
The answer always comes back to Force + Mass x Acceleration. If that 200 Ton airline moving at 500 MPH had sufficient mass and acceleration at the point of impact, it was going into the building. I have yet to see any math disproving that it would not happen the way it did.
I am sorry, Sentinel, but I am not aware of that hypothesis; could you please elaborate on this one.
Now this is something that can probably be tested or at least discussed using mathematics and known values. If someone can come up with the explosive power of JP4 when ignitiing 10,000 gallons (and of course not all of it would ignite at once, and some of it might be still be bulk liquid and some spread out in a fuel-air mixture). Anybody up to some calculating?
As pointed out, the fuel tanks are located in the wings and central area of the aircraft, not in the front portion. The tanks would have had to rupture upon entry and then an ignition source would have had to ignite the fuel. Meanwhile at least some of the fuel is still travelling at an appreciable fraction of the 500MPH speed (that old man Newton, again). Given that the building was only about 208 Ft across (IIRC, please correct me if I am wrong) the fuel/wreckage, ignition sources (engine heat, for example) would cross that space in:
500MPH = 733.5 Feet per Second (FPS)
400MPH = 586.8 FPS
300MPH = 440.1 FPS
So it seems plausible that the fuel, exploding forward as the tanks ruptured, would be able to explode out of the building in the manner we saw. But I am willing to listen to your conclusions if the above is not satisfactory.
That I will have to leave to those more expert than myself. I do not know, but disasters are not predictable and in complete chaos there is often a oddball thing or two that seems to defy logic. Like that poor prisoner in Martinique when Mt. Pelee blew and killed every other living soul in town in the early 1900's.
Thanks, but not today; I have to clean my bathroom..
Sentinel[/QUOTE]
Belz...
Fiend God
Now thats the ticket
Why did the atc report flight 11 out of V/C at 8:13AM but Otis intercept were wheels up at 8:52am?
Why did LT Col Dawn Deskins (NEADS) state that she was in communications with the FAA when when the north tower was impacted and the FAA stated that they were still tracking fligh 11 after impact?
Why did Duff and Nasty state they were still looking for flight 11 after the S/T was already hit? Was the onboard radar display operational?
Why did CBS News report AA 77 hit the S/T later that day?
Why did operation Red Ex on may 11 01 go off without a problem yet 911 was a cluster-*****?
Sentinel
Sentinel
Why did the atc report flight 11 out of V/C at 8:13AM but Otis intercept were wheels up at 8:52am?
Why did LT Col Dawn Deskins (NEADS) state that she was in communications with the FAA when when the north tower was impacted and the FAA stated that they were still tracking fligh 11 after impact?
Why did Duff and Nasty state they were still looking for flight 11 after the S/T was already hit? Was the onboard radar display operational?
Why did CBS News report AA 77 hit the S/T later that day?
Why did operation Red Ex on may 11 01 go off without a problem yet 911 was a cluster-*****?
Sentinel
Sentinel
Belz...
Fiend God
Fuel tanks are not in the front of the plane.
Belz...
Fiend God
Well if you could actually write properly people could adress your points, seeing as they would then become (more) coherent.
Belz...
Fiend God
Oohh... are you "just asking questions", now ?
NobbyNobbs
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I'm afraid of heights. The WTC was very high. I'd never want to be on top of it. My aunt and uncle live in NYC. He's a high-priced lawyer with lots of resources. His apartment is withing sight of the WTC. He'd do anything for me if I asked. I guess this makes me responsible for the collapse, right?
Empress, just because there are dots doesn't mean they have to connect. There are terms in this world like "coincidence" and "probability" that allow for strange things to happen from time to time without humans meaning them to. Sure, throw enough mud at the wall and some will stick. That doesn't necessarily make it a work of art.
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