Loose Change - Part II

[MikeW]

Thanks Mike, i appreciate your honesty.

S'okay: too many facts here, too few brain cells, sometimes I lose track...

 

[MikeW]

Perhaps the propaganda machine and the CIA asset had some miscommunication about the Plan.

Well, yes, that's where I get confused... Because if bin Ladin is the CIA asset that some people claim, then why did he inconveniently deny responsibility in the first place? Which would suggest he & al Qaeda do have some independence from the US. But then if that's true, and subsequent bin Ladin tapes are faked, then why haven't al Qaeda come out and said so?

Ah well, never mind. I'm sure someone will come up with a coherent "inside job" theory that explains all this, eventually. Loose Change 45, perhaps?

 

[bob_kark]

I have heard much of this "killik." He certainly doesn't disappoint. Does he stick around for discussion at all?

He never leaves until he's banned. That's why we love kilik!

 

[bob_kark]

LC Forum has no sense of irony.

I came here thinking something was incredibly wrong with our country. I realize now, that there is something incredibley wrong: the very people claiming ot seek the Truth instead seek to oppress and supress it.

even ciomunist regimes would flinch at the bannings, editings, etc. on this forum.

Grow up, Loosers. Your not going to get anything done by playing Nazi on everyone.

Suspended for 7 days mate. smoke2.gif

 

[chipmunk stew]

 

[WildCat]

WildCat:

I'm not sure why you quoted me in your response (truncated above). I was responding facetiously to a quote from LC regarding the idea that hundreds of commercial jets are currently rigged for destruction. It had nothing to do with relative sizes of aircraft.

Yeah, it was more directed at the original subject of that theory, where it was one of those 737's rigged to explode that actually hit the WTC. A ridiculous theory, since a 767 is much larger.

 

[Belz...]

Because he's an evil genius who planned and executed 911?

Genius ? Please.

Just trying to present some dots here. The goal is that enough intelligent people try to connect them.

Connecting dots is easy when you don't have to prove that the connections exist to start with.

I have heard much of this "killik." He certainly doesn't disappoint. Does he stick around for discussion at all?

Seldom does.

 

[dubfan]

Well, yes, that's where I get confused... Because if bin Ladin is the CIA asset that some people claim, then why did he inconveniently deny responsibility in the first place? Which would suggest he & al Qaeda do have some independence from the US. But then if that's true, and subsequent bin Ladin tapes are faked, then why haven't al Qaeda come out and said so?

The "OBL was an invention or a CIA asset" theories don't square very well with the John O'Neill story, either.

 

[60hzxtl]

Ahhh C'mon guys somebody who is registered there has got to take a pop at this!

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6270

"I need citations from expert regarding explosion and collapse of WTC 3 towers, any link for that? "


My Factory Installed Sarcasm Chip is gonna explode!

 

[R.Mackey]

R., that's not the point. We all rely on the media reports and i have the opinion that most of them are not trustworthy. Ok, in the first time after 9/11 we had a Bin Laden saying that he wasn't involved in the attacks. Why should he deny it? From his point of view 9/11 has been the greatest victory one can imagine. Months after the attack, he suddenly changed his statements and decided to publish them mainly through US-Government-Sources.

This isn't coherent and it is only one of many uncoherent pieces in the official 911-Story.

I asked you whether or not you denied that Bin Laden (eventually) accepted responsibility for the Sept. 11th attacks. The link that you posted said that he did. So please, answer the question!

You're asking me why would Bin Laden initially deny involvement? You're asking me to speculate. Very well, I will speculate, but understand this is not evidence:

1. Bin Laden's denials, if you actually read them, are pretty thin. He initially gives credit to the hijackers themselves, much like a football coach might heap praise on his players.

2. Bin Laden was hoping to portray his hatred of the U.S. as a much broader, sweeping initiative within the Islamic world. Big PR value.

3. Bin Laden was fearing for his own life and trying to buy time.

4. Bin Laden was pressured to do so by members of the Taliban, who were fearing for their lives and trying to shift the attention away from themselves.

5. Bin Laden was worried that his sources of funding would disapprove of the unexpected savagery of the attack, and needed to spread the blame while building up his case that they were "legitimate targets."

Lots of possibilities. Perfectly coherent, and even you admit he didn't publish solely through U.S. media sources. Bin Laden's initial denials are not evidence of a coverup, unless you can disprove all of these possibilities and more. Good luck.

Bin Laden's acceptance, on the other hand, is evidence against a coverup. Unless you think the CIA is holding him in a media lab somewhere, why would he not send Al-Jazeera a new tape continuing to protest his innocence?

But for starters, I'll ask again: Do you deny that Bin Laden accepted responsibility? Yes or no?

 

[kookbreaker]

I4. Bin Laden was pressured to do so by members of the Taliban, who were fearing for their lives and trying to shift the attention away from themselves.

Anyone remember the whole Taliban "We lost our Bin Laden" line they were trying to use in the aftermath of 9-11? IT was the opressive government's equivelant of 'My dog ate my homework'.

 

[Childlike Empress]

1. Bin Laden's denials, if you actually read them, are pretty thin. He initially gives credit to the hijackers themselves, much like a football coach might heap praise on his players.

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a time of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." - Osama Bin Laden, September 2001

That's not thin. That sounds like a statement from an islamistic, antisemitic fundamentalist. I think this is authentic.

4. Bin Laden was pressured to do so by members of the Taliban, who were fearing for their lives and trying to shift the attention away from themselves.

The Taliban offered to hand him over in exchange for evidence of his envolvement in 9/11.

I'll ask again: Do you deny that Bin Laden accepted responsibility? Yes or no?

Yes. I think he is dead since late 2001 and the later videos are faked.

 

[Sentinel]

Cheese Grader

If an alluminum plane flies at 500MPH into steel/concrete building wouldn't the plane cut through the floors like a grader (sorry to the smart skeptics)?


Why did the explosion in the south tower originate on only 1 floor?


If you run the footage in slow motion you'll see that the explosion is not a 10.000 gallon explosion but rather a much more higher amount of fuel.

Why did the plane wait to get all the way into the building before it exploded instead of exploding on impact?


Patty Brown of Engine 3 was on a higher floor (in the 30s) how was he found intact?


Have a nice day


Sentinel

 

[kookbreaker]

The Taliban offered to hand him over in exchange for evidence of his envolvement in 9/11.

Stalling tactic. Evidence is not collected in a day, and they knew it. When that ploy failed they went right into their 'We lost our Bin Laden' gambit.

 

[kookbreaker]

If an alluminum plane flies at 500MPH into steel/concrete building wouldn't the plane cut through the floors like a grader (sorry to the smart skeptics)?

What is a grader?

Why did the explosion in the south tower originate on only 1 floor?

How do you figure? The explosion comes out at one point initially, but after that it could be coming from any number of sources.

If you run the footage in slow motion you'll see that the explosion is not a 10.000 gallon explosion but rather a much more higher amount of fuel.

You established this ludicrous claim how, exactly?

Why did the plane wait to get all the way into the building before it exploded instead of exploding on impact?

Fuel tanks are not in the front of the plane.

Patty Brown of Engine 3 was on a higher floor (in the 30s) how was he found intact?

English, please.

 

[Sentinel]

Spookmaker

Answer the question jerkoff...


Sentinel

This is neither civil nor polite. Stop the insults.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

 

[Sentinel]

Oh, thats right you're a professional spook.


Knock Knock.....




Sentinel

 

[kookbreaker]

Answer the question jerkoff...


Sentinel

I answer the ones that could be understood. Deal with it.

 

[Ducky]

Oh, thats right you're a professional spook.


Knock Knock.....




Sentinel

How do you know which of us JREF ninjas work for the CIA? Or the NSA?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

How do you know which of us JREF ninjas work for the CIA? Or the NSA?

I have a friend in the NSA. Does that make me a shill by proxy?