Loose Change: I'm Sick About This

[Dark Jaguar]

Didn't watch all of it, I skipped around from segment to segment. I did skip straight to someone in uniform basically putting those idiots in their place stating they are just speculating without any evidence, and thinking doens't come from the heart, it comes from the head. THAT was entertaining.

 

[Twilek]

I try to be close, but she makes it difficult.

Thanks for the link. I believe I have seen the Critical Thinking Field Guide and refrained from sending it to her because of the accompanying picture of someone fishing in a person's head. That's just the kind of weird details she grasps onto as "secret coded proof"!....a picture of someone fishing in someone's mind, well that's exactly what "they" are doing to her, y'know? We're all just to stupid to pick up on these "oh so obvious messages", etc. etc. etc. See, I'm already getting keen to what spooks her, which I guess is a plus.

Her e-mails are definitely a peek into a paranoid's mind. The scary part is, many of the Looser's posts could be hers, just change the subject. Same with the posts on Carnicom's chemtrail site, and a few others she's sent me links to. Are all these people clinically mentally ill? Does one have to be to think like that?

Anyway, off topic. I just can't help reading everything in CT-land against the backdrop of my up-close-and-personal experience with it, and the movie comment hit really close to home. Carry on!

 

[AWPrime]

That is pretty sick. You could tell this guy doesn't care about the victims of 9/11 but just his own personal agenda. Little off topic but I've recently listened to some of the recordings of people calling 911 who were in the south tower of the world trade center and it really puts things in perspective.

Many of them don't even think that many of the people who died were even real......

 

[Belz...]

Her e-mails are definitely a peek into a paranoid's mind.

I don't want to be mean but, have you considered medication ?

 

[Belz...]

Many of them don't even think that many of the people who died were even real......

Well it's easy to think like they do when you ignore, as Delphi_Ote said, that these are people with lives and children to go back to once their work is done. No, they're just numbers to them. Numbers to be exploited by their paranoid delusions.

...Taking a deep breath, now.

 

[LostAngeles]

Why don't we disrupt their disruption this year?

No school I've applied to starts classes until late Sept.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Why don't we disrupt their disruption this year?

Sept. 11 is a Monday this year. I'll make sure I reserve a vacation day. It's only a couple hours from Philly on the Chinatown bus.

 

[Belz...]

Sept. 11 is a Monday this year. I'll make sure I reserve a vacation day. It's only a couple hours from Philly on the Chinatown bus.

You do that. Maybe I'll send a fireball or two, for support. I'm more of an artillery guy myself. Let the OTHER guys get their hands dirty with ACTUAL work.

How about those "globalist" t-shirts, now ?

 

[Z]

Though it sickens me, their reaction to the whole affair, I do have to say that, in that one video clip, the 'waving woman' doesn't look like such; however, I'd be hard-pressed to say it looks like much of anything in that clip.

The other pictures, though, seem to clearly show a woman - in at least two different poses, no less - as well as the Shirtless Man.

What's really sickening is the absolute knowledge that the living, breathing people in those images are just... gone. That there's nothing you can do to stop their deaths, and the pain caused to their families and friends.

(The biggest reasons I hate seeing dead bodies on the news, etc...)

If only I could get away long enough to lend a hand...

 

[hellaeon]

Gravy you rule mate.

Time for me to take action around here in little old South Aus with some old nutbag friends.

 

[brodski]

Why don't we disrupt their disruption this year?

be very careful how you do this, whilst I think that these guys are scum fir their actions, esp on the anniversary of the WTC attack, if there are grieving relatives at the site, you do not want to potentially make the situation worse. You don't want to give the loosers any more publicity, especially not sympathetic publicity, and you defiantly don't want to get into extremely heated confrontations with them, despite the fact that you will be supporting the victims relatives, you dint want to get into a "fight at a funeral".
I support what you guys are doing, hell, If I could afford the transatlantic flight I'd be there with you.All I am saying is think about how you will "interact" with these whack jobs, and how this will impact of any grieving people at the scene, joke t-shirts for example may be seen as taking the piss out of the whole situation, not just the conspiracy nuts.

 

[delphi_ote]

be very careful how you do this, whilst I think that these guys are scum fir their actions, esp on the anniversary of the WTC attack, if there are grieving relatives at the site, you do not want to potentially make the situation worse. You don't want to give the loosers any more publicity, especially not sympathetic publicity, and you defiantly don't want to get into extremely heated confrontations with them, despite the fact that you will be supporting the victims relatives, you dint want to get into a "fight at a funeral".
I support what you guys are doing, hell, If I could afford the transatlantic flight I'd be there with you.All I am saying is think about how you will "interact" with these whack jobs, and how this will impact of any grieving people at the scene, joke t-shirts for example may be seen as taking the piss out of the whole situation, not just the conspiracy nuts.

I could not agree more. My idea right now would be simple and considerate. Just follow the Loosers around and debrief people they talked to. Basically "Maybe those guys sound reasonable, but they're wrong. Make sure you think about this a little bit before you agree with them." Maybe hand out fliers that present basic facts, links to websites to get more info, and some of the more extreme beliefs of the Loosers. I feel the latter is necessary, because conspiracy theorists, like cults, always sound reasonable at first. They present their best side to the public. It's not until you're in that they start presenting their more crazy ideas. By then, the naive are already hooked.

Maybe we could also hand out fliers to people there who would be sympathetic. "Listen, we really care about what happened here. There are some people here with some really confused notions trying to spread disinformation. We want to put a stop to it."

The whole reason I got into this fray in the first place was to protect the people like Hal and to make sure the memories of those lost weren't exploited. No, I wouldn't let it become a circus.

 

[RandFan]

I could not agree more. My idea right now would be simple and considerate. Just follow the Loosers around and debrief people they talked to. Basically "Maybe those guys sound reasonable, but they're wrong. Make sure you think about this a little bit before you agree with them." Maybe hand out fliers that present basic facts, links to websites to get more info, and some of the more extreme beliefs of the Loosers. I feel the latter is necessary, because conspiracy theorists, like cults, always sound reasonable at first. They present their best side to the public. It's not until you're in that they start presenting their more crazy ideas. By then, the naive are already hooked.

Maybe we could also hand out fliers to people there who would be sympathetic. "Listen, we really care about what happened here. There are some people here with some really confused notions trying to spread disinformation. We want to put a stop to it."

The whole reason I got into this fray in the first place was to protect the people like Hal and to make sure the memories of those lost weren't exploited. No, I wouldn't let it become a circus.

Agreed. It would be a mistake to let the message get lost due to recriminations or to make them appear sane by comparison or to give them more publicity than necassary. Like I said earlier I would be happy for everyone to simply ignore them but that isn't likely to happen.

 

[Gravy]

Now that I've calmed down a bit, my feeling is that the Loosers will have been largely discredited by Sept., and none of this may be necessary (and maybe I will have watched more than 7 minutes of their damn video by then). Their line may sell well on college campuses, but I don't think it's going to work on an older audience. I think we'll be helped by the release of "United 93," which is coming out soon. It'll raise people's awareness. And if the Loosers want to shout to the world that there were no heroes on board, just a bunch of people who went to Cleveland and disappeared, that makes our job that much easier.

Happy 11,400th, RandFan. Jeebus, get a life, willya?

(edited for clarity)

 

[Timothy]

be very careful how you do this, whilst I think that these guys are scum fir their actions, esp on the anniversary of the WTC attack, if there are grieving relatives at the site, you do not want to potentially make the situation worse. You don't want to give the loosers any more publicity, especially not sympathetic publicity, and you defiantly don't want to get into extremely heated confrontations with them, despite the fact that you will be supporting the victims relatives, you dint want to get into a "fight at a funeral".

One of the best counterprotests aimed at an appalling group of people occurred when the anti-gay Reverend Fred Phelps organized a protest at the funeral of Matthew Shepard, the University of Wyoming student brutally murdered because of his homosexuality. Phelps' small group of supporters held signs that read "Matt Shepard rots in Hell," "AIDS kills fags dead," and "God hates fags."

Friends of Shepard organized a group of individuals who wore white robes and gigantic white wings. As Phelps began his protest, these "Angels of Peace" silently surrounded the protesters, blocking the hateful signs from the view of everyone with their raised wings.

If one were to want to counterprotest, the effectiveness and grace of this example is a good lesson.

- Timothy

 

[delphi_ote]

If one were to want to counterprotest, the effectiveness and grace of this example is a good lesson.

Exactly. Thanks for sharing that.

I think my idea is in the same spirit. Just follow them around discretely. If they talk to someone and the person seems receptive to their ideas, give the person some precautionary, skeptical information. If they upset the person, ask that person if they'd be interested in doing something to stop their hurtful message.

 

[RandFan]

Happy 11,400th, RandFan. Jeebus, get a life, willya?

No kidding!!!

 

[Gravy]

One of the best counterprotests aimed at an appalling group of people occurred when the anti-gay Reverend Fred Phelps organized a protest at the funeral of Matthew Shepard, the University of Wyoming student brutally murdered because of his homosexuality. Phelps' small group of supporters held signs that read "Matt Shepard rots in Hell," "AIDS kills fags dead," and "God hates fags."

Friends of Shepard organized a group of individuals who wore white robes and gigantic white wings. As Phelps began his protest, these "Angels of Peace" silently surrounded the protesters, blocking the hateful signs from the view of everyone with their raised wings.

If one were to want to counterprotest, the effectiveness and grace of this example is a good lesson.

- Timothy

Manny is working on that, but I think he's thinking more along the lines of "Angel of Death."

 

[Twilek]

I don't want to be mean but, have you considered medication ?

Not mean at all.

Yes we have, and no she won't. She refuses to consider any hint that there might be a real problem here. Besides the brain-sucking satellites, of course.

It reminds me how in the LC forum many times I have read people stating "people look at me like I'm crazy", "this is real", "I'm not crazy". I've heard them all. Are they? Is she? The obsessiveness of their crusade is certainly similar, there just aren't any good videos out there for the Mind-Control crowd to grasp on to and sell/give away on street corners.

 

[Belz...]

Yes we have, and no she won't. She refuses to consider any hint that there might be a real problem here. Besides the brain-sucking satellites, of course.

She didn't say that, did she ?