Loose Change: I'm Sick About This

[Bronze Dog]

I have words for the butchery of logic and truth.

I have words for the people who use those techniques.

I have no words for those... ...quoted in the OP.

 

[delphi_ote]

i found video of the loose change creators at ground zero on 9/11 arguing with firefighters that the government is behind all this. then after that they harrass a widow and proceed to tell her that "we've been doing this research for 4 years and this documentary is the proof that the government killed your husband"

That's the most disgusting thing I've heard about thes nut jobs. It reminds me of a recent thread here started by the mother of a missing child who has been harassed by "psychics." She also has an amazing blog here.

They're all lunatics preying on the grieving to get attention, and it makes me sick. They must be stopped.

i live in NYC and i will be there this year with the real facts to hand out to people. i'll see ya there gravy!

Fantastic! I'd be glad to help you guys prepare some fliers!

and this is my first post so, hi everyone!

A great first post. Welcome, friend. A big, heartfelt welcome.

 

[delphi_ote]

Welcome to the forum.

Here's the video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1579717123075318465&q=loose+change&pl=true

To pay their respects and promote the film. How ****ing respectful of them.

 

[rwguinn]

Who was it that said "I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it? Well, even that altruist would arrange to be out of town on this one. I have no use whatsoever for these idiotic, pathetic excuses for homo sapiens! they are a total waste of space and intellect.

 

[Ramooone]

yeah, i was pretty disgusted when i saw that video.

i like how they bring up penn and teller and the fact that he discredited jimmy walters and eric hufschmitd, not sure if that spelling is correct, eric douchebag, thats better.

i'm also a documentary filmmaker, and unlike these guys i try and make a difference for the good of people. im thinking of making a loose change debunked doc. but it wont be a giant music video with internet clips, i'll actually INTERVIEW people.

"The best definition we have found for civilisation is that a civilised man does what is best for all, while the savage does what is best for himself"--John
hubble

 

[chipmunk stew]

They'll vilify eyewitnesses.
They'll vilify victims.

They'll prop up their theories by any means necessary. They all need a good spanking. Let's give 'em one.

 

[Bronze Dog]

They'll villify anyone, as long as they can use the horror in some roundabout way to boost their ego, instead of seeking the truth.

 

[chipmunk stew]

i'm also a documentary filmmaker, and unlike these guys i try and make a difference for the good of people. im thinking of making a loose change debunked doc. but it wont be a giant music video with internet clips, i'll actually INTERVIEW people.

If there's anything we can do to pitch in, let us know.

 

[aggle-rithm]

I am skeptical that that is the woman waving.

If she were waving vigorously the head would move back and forth as her body moves with the vigorous waving. When people wave their arms slow down as the arm changes direction. When waving people either fully extend their arms or they bend their arms at the elbow.

They do when they're waving a cheery hello. The action might be quite different if they were extremely tense and were trying to grab someone's attention.

I wonder if there's anything going on in the picture that would make her extremely tense? Hmmmm....

 

[RandFan]

Who was it that said "I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it? Well, even that altruist would arrange to be out of town on this one. I have no use whatsoever for these idiotic, pathetic excuses for homo sapiens! they are a total waste of space and intellect.

As disgusting as I would find it I would defend their right. I'm fanatically pro free-speech.

Still a quote for Mississippi Burning comes to mind.

Anderson: Don't put me on your perch, Mr Ward!
Ward: Don't drag me into your gutter!
Anderson: These people crawled out of a sewer, Mr Ward! And maybe the gutter's where we should be!

 

[Gravy]

I welcome your comments, but those who are inclined to photo and video analysis, you're missing the point of my post. We need to respect the people who did die on 9/11 and the families and friends who do suffer with that loss every day.

 

[0oTITANo0]

It looks like something swinging to me. Something swinging that happens to be where the woman was. The way it moves seems like something blowing in the wind to me. I do not think that this object behaves like a distressed person in an imminently collapsing building would. Not haing been there I cannot tell you with any certainty what it was. But just because I cannot tell you what it is does not mean that it must then be the woman. The claim is that the moving object in the video is the woman. I disagree. The only evidence is circumstantial. There is something moving at the place where she was, but it does not look like a woman waving to me. The photos were taken from above the floor the woman was on and the video was taken from below the floor the woman was on. This makes it entirely possible for the images to have been captured at totally different times. You can believe that she is in the video but I do not see her.

 

[Kochanski]

The Loosers are truly sick. They say they are after the truth, all they are really after is attention for themselves. Stupid, stupid rat creatures

The best thing that can happen to these fools is that family members of those who died come after them and sue the ****** pants off them

Let the come tell their stupid stories to the woman on my block, whose firefighter husband did not come home that day, who was never found.

If any of them had any connection to anyone affected by the events of that terrible day, they would not EVER think to do as they are doing.

They are SCUM.

Edited because I was so angry I could not write properly.

 

[aggle-rithm]

It looks like something swinging to me. Something swinging that happens to be where the woman was. The way it moves seems like something blowing in the wind to me. I do not think that this object behaves like a distressed person in an imminently collapsing building would. Not haing been there I cannot tell you with any certainty what it was. But just because I cannot tell you what it is does not mean that it must then be the woman. The claim is that the moving object in the video is the woman. I disagree. The only evidence is circumstantial. There is something moving at the place where she was, but it does not look like a woman waving to me. The photos were taken from above the floor the woman was on and the video was taken from below the floor the woman was on. This makes it entirely possible for the images to have been captured at totally different times. You can believe that she is in the video but I do not see her.

I think you have a bad case of reverse pareidolia.

 

[Gravy]

As disgusting as I would find it I would defend their right. I'm fanatically pro free-speech.!

That's not in question. They have every right to spread misinformation about 9/11. And I have every right to expose their lies.

(Edited to add. Sorry, RandFan, I wasn't taking your post in context with the one you were responding to.)

 

[Gravy]

It looks like something swinging to me. Something swinging that happens to be where the woman was. The way it moves seems like something blowing in the wind to me. I do not think that this object behaves like a distressed person in an imminently collapsing building would. Not haing been there I cannot tell you with any certainty what it was. But just because I cannot tell you what it is does not mean that it must then be the woman. The claim is that the moving object in the video is the woman. I disagree. The only evidence is circumstantial. There is something moving at the place where she was, but it does not look like a woman waving to me. The photos were taken from above the floor the woman was on and the video was taken from below the floor the woman was on. This makes it entirely possible for the images to have been captured at totally different times. You can believe that she is in the video but I do not see her.

Thanks. That was very helpful.

 

[valis]

They'll vilify eyewitnesses.
They'll vilify victims.

They'll prop up their theories by any means necessary. They all need a good spanking. Let's give 'em one.

I gotta laugh at the first link.
They debunk many of the witnesses because of their political ties.
What did they expect to find in DC, automakers?

 

[aggle-rithm]

I gotta laugh at the first link.
They debunk many of the witnesses because of their political ties.
What did they expect to find in DC, automakers?

I think there are a lot of pimps there, too.

Why haven't any pimps come forward!?

WHAT ARE THEY HIDING!?!

 

[delphi_ote]

It looks like something swinging to me. Something swinging that happens to be where the woman was. The way it moves seems like something blowing in the wind to me. I do not think that this object behaves like a distressed person in an imminently collapsing building would. Not haing been there I cannot tell you with any certainty what it was. But just because I cannot tell you what it is does not mean that it must then be the woman. The claim is that the moving object in the video is the woman. I disagree. The only evidence is circumstantial. There is something moving at the place where she was, but it does not look like a woman waving to me. The photos were taken from above the floor the woman was on and the video was taken from below the floor the woman was on. This makes it entirely possible for the images to have been captured at totally different times. You can believe that she is in the video but I do not see her.

Please don't dignify this guy with a response. Just walk away.

Let's keep this thread on subject: what can we do to stop this movement? We're angry. Let's find some way to use that emotion productively.

 

[Belz...]

And I'm sick of this.

Hi, Gravy. BTW, I've enjoyed several of your recent, thoroughly-researches posts.

A question: do the CTers actually do something about their beliefs ? I mean, they don't just sit in front of their computers and whine all day, shielded by their anonymity, do they ?

Do they ?