Loose Change: I'm Sick About This

Not to derail, but is there a place that confirms that that is a woman on the edge of the impact sight?
The more I look at the blow up and the wider shot the more it looks like her pants are just a piece of building debris from the outside wall and her head is made up of the same stuff you can see down and to the left of her on the other side of the ‘hole’ she is standing in.

-PopeTom
 
I think that 'stuff' to the left is another victim, hence the matching colour.

Even if you're right though, it would do no good. To these folks, if it looks like evidence, its evidence.
 
Shrinker said:
I think that 'stuff' to the left is another victim, hence the matching colour.

Even if you're right though, it would do no good. To these folks, if it looks like evidence, its evidence.
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That is.

Motherf***ers.

There are no words, but delphi's post works.
 
I wish I had something worthwhile to add.

All I've got - I'm on JREF now because of the insanity of the nine-eleven conspiracy crowd. I am willing to do what is necessary to counter these people.
 
PopeTom said:
Not to derail, but is there a place that confirms that that is a woman on the edge of the impact sight?
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The accuracy of the photo doesn't matter. We know there were human beings who were staring out of that maw, with hell behind them, a chasm in front of them. We know how many of them perished, some of them driven to jump from the building.

What matters is that someone in his comfortable chair can look at a photo which seems to be of one of the victims of that massacre and mock them.
 
CFLarsen said:
What else would it be?
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It's definitely a woman waving, there is a better video somewhere if you look. It also shows the floors above and below her on fire.

I don't know why this is considered evidence of anything by the loosers, who apparently think people can't move around in a building.
 
WildCat said:
It's definitely a woman waving, there is a better video somewhere if you look. It also shows the floors above and below her on fire.
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Quite so. I can't see any other explanation.

WildCat said:
I don't know why this is considered evidence of anything by the loosers, who apparently think people can't move around in a building.
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"Loosers". Very precise description.
 
If it is a woman, and I am inclined to think it is, so what? She's one survivor (up until that point). She's at the one location that I can be certain that there was very little flammable material nearby (having been pushed by the impact of the plane.) So once any jet fuel burned off (and most of it probably sprayed further into the building) there was little in that area to burn. We don't know her story, or her fate. She might have picked her way down several flights of damaged stairs, until she reached the stairs that were too damaged to pass. She might have pciked here way to the opening, desperately hoping (incorrectly) that someone might be able to extract her from the opening. Or maybe she was just trying to get away from the smoke.

To say that she is proof that the fire was not intense is disgusting. In the video you can clearly see that the fire is burning both above her and bleow her position.

Ultimately, we don't know her fate. A few seconds after this video she might have jumped, desperate to escape the blaze. Lot's of people did that day. She might have gone back inside, knowing there was no escape, gotten to an area free of fire, and then the building collapsed. One thing is for certain, she is dead.

And the Loosers can only make fun of her.
 
At the Moussaoui trial they apparently played any number of similar videos made by people in neighboring high-rise buildings. Why this one is out and about, I can't say. Some of these videos are jumps, and as this woman apparently realized she was being videotaped, others must have as well...

Ouch. Well even if it is not a person (and I'm pretty sure it is) there must be similar images that are undisputedly people.

And she is dead. No one got out from that high in the building.

It's also possible that the video keeps going and shows how she ultimately died. Perhaps it even shows her burning to death. These things exist, but thankfully they are not on the net.

Clarifacation: I did some poking around and actually no one got out of North Tower above the impact point but a handful of people (18) did get out of South tower from above the impact point.
 
I am skeptical that that is the woman waving.

If she were waving vigorously the head would move back and forth as her body moves with the vigorous waving. When people wave their arms slow down as the arm changes direction. When waving people either fully extend their arms or they bend their arms at the elbow. The rhythm of the moving object suggests a swinging piece of debris more than a woman waving her arms.

From photos there was definitely a woman in the opening, but she does not appear to be there in the movie.
 
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0oTITANo0 said:
I am skeptical that that is the woman waving.

If she were waving vigorously the head would move back and forth as her body moves with the vigorous waving. When people wave their arms slow down as the arm changes direction. The rhythm of the moving object suggests a swinging piece of debris more than a woman waving.
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None of this need be the case.
 
0oTITANo0 said:
I am skeptical that that is the woman waving.

If she were waving vigorously the head would move back and forth as her body moves with the vigorous waving. When people wave their arms slow down as the arm changes direction. When waving people either fully extend their arms or they bend their arms at the elbow. The rhythm of the moving object suggests a swinging piece of debris more than a woman waving her arms.

From photos there was definitely a woman in the opening, but she does not appear to be there in the movie.
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Ok, then.

If not the woman, what is "waving"?
 
this is my first post here, ive been against these loosers for a long time, but this really irks me.

i found video of the loose change creators at ground zero on 9/11 arguing with firefighters that the government is behind all this. then after that they harrass a widow and proceed to tell her that "we've been doing this research for 4 years and this documentary is the proof that the government killed your husband"

the whole time they're surrounded by other nuts, laughing at times, hanging out with the janitor who has seven different stories of what happened to him that day. its really disturbing, since they claim in the beginning that this is out of respect for the families of victims.

i live in NYC and i will be there this year with the real facts to hand out to people. i'll see ya there gravy!

i cant post the link to the video cause this is my first post, but you can googlevideo it "loose change groud zero revisited"

and this is my first post so, hi everyone!
 
Ramooone said:
this is my first post here, ive been against these loosers for a long time, but this really irks me.

i found video of the loose change creators at ground zero on 9/11 arguing with firefighters that the government is behind all this. then after that they harrass a widow and proceed to tell her that "we've been doing this research for 4 years and this documentary is the proof that the government killed your husband"

the whole time they're surrounded by other nuts, laughing at times, hanging out with the janitor who has seven different stories of what happened to him that day. its really disturbing, since they claim in the beginning that this is out of respect for the families of victims.

i live in NYC and i will be there this year with the real facts to hand out to people. i'll see ya there gravy!

i cant post the link to the video cause this is my first post, but you can googlevideo it "loose change groud zero revisited"

and this is my first post so, hi everyone!
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Welcome to the forum.

Here's the video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1579717123075318465&q=loose+change&pl=true
 
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