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scrappy said:
why does her GP support her? and 3 family members who know without a doubt what their own father sounds like.
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I can't believe a reputable GP would 'support' flaccon by agreeing that the voices she 'hears' are genuine, which is what you're implying.

Also, it's interesting to note that the three family members who recognise her father's voice are flaccon's own children, who have either been brought up with this nonsense - they were 12, 11 and 5 when the "hauntings" began and one of them was "targeted by dark forces" - or don't want to upset her/make her condition worse. What about the family members mentioned much earlier in this thread in a quote from flaccon's old Spirits in the Blood website:

Flaccon's sister Carolanne to flaccon: "How can I can help you when I don't believe you?"

Flaccon's sister Sherry to flaccon's daughter: "Your Mother has completely lost it, the voices were set-up along with the art work. Once she's handed over the Ashes, I want nothing more to do with her".
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Edited to add: I'm confused. Which family members does scrappy mean? How many siblings does flaccon have? We've been told that her brother is a believer, one of her sisters is now dead and the two named above reject her claims. This is what made me think that scrappy was referring to Reg's grandchildren, not his children.

Sorry about that, but quite frankly neither flaccon nor scrappy have the gift of expressing themselves clearly.
 
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So her GP has documented her claims whilst basically repeating his or her unwillingness to touch them with a ten-foot barge pole.
Far from agreeing with Tracey's claims that the voices matched, the doctor pointed out that some of the noises vaguely resembled words.
That's nowhere near being the same thing.
 
Dissolution said:
So her GP has documented her claims whilst basically repeating his or her unwillingness to touch them with a ten-foot barge pole.
Far from agreeing with Tracey's claims that the voices matched, the doctor pointed out that some of the noises vaguely resembled words.
That's nowhere near being the same thing.
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And, of course, we have no idea what the redacted sentences and partial sentences said - although we do know that they comprise almost half of the letter.
 
scrappy said:
Flaccon does not ask her GP if he believes, nor will she ask, but she played him various recordings last month, also showed him an image she'd received (of her mother) she matched the voices up, and matched the image to a photograph of her mother, and asked him a question "when is a delusion not a delusion"
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When is a delusion not a delusion? When there's solid evidence that it's not a delusion. You have absolutely no solid evidence - all you're doing is feeding one another's fantasies. You're both too emotionally involved in this farrago to see how sad and absurd it really is.
 
Another thing - did flaccon's father make any recordings of his voice during his lifetime? If not, how do flaccon and scrappy hope to convince anyone outside the family that one of the computer voices is really his?

We're dealing with two people who simply don't understand the concept of 'objective evidence'. Amongst other things.
 
I read this thread up to about page 43.
I listened to Alderbank's recordings that he gave a link and retitled them. (For Flaccon)
I did not hear any voices at all nor any sound remotely like one.
I was hoping I would hear lots of words
 
These spirits are the means by which flaccon hopes to impart an earth-shattering revelation to humankind. They don't seem capable of imparting a shopping list.
 
Alice Shortcake said:
These spirits are the means by which flaccon hopes to impart an earth-shattering revelation to humankind. They don't seem capable of imparting a shopping list.
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Flaccon said that they communicate in clear sentences. From her inability to repeat the "revelation" I concluded that she neglected to make a note of the "revelation" at the time, and has now forgotten what it was.
 
abaddon said:
Nope. No voices that Flaccon hears at all. Just some bystanders talking.
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Not bystanders talking. the woman shouts out "you stupid bstd's" I know her voice, so does she and so do others. 4 of her family names are mentioned, ending with her father informing tracey that her brother Billy has been found. He says @13 - "our billys just found us , we've got compu-ters) She took the clip to Windermere for her brother to hear, and of course to inform him that Billy has been found.

I asked a friend earlier to identify "words" shouted out in that Birmingham clip , I didn't give him no clues, and he heard one word, TRACEY.
 
I don't believe that a GP would make an appointment to listen to youtube recordings. He might be able to determine the quality of, or deficiencies in, flaccon's ability to hear but determining what she hears and why is not a field he would be versed in. More than likely he would refer this to a psychiatrist for evaluation.
 
scrappy said:
Not bystanders talking. the woman shouts out "you stupid bstd's" I know her voice, so does she and so do others. 4 of her family names are mentioned, ending with her father informing tracey that her brother Billy has been found. He says @13 - "our billys just found us , we've got compu-ters) She took the clip to Windermere for her brother to hear, and of course to inform him that Billy has been found.

I asked a friend earlier to identify "words" shouted out in that Birmingham clip , I didn't give him no clues, and he heard one word, TRACEY.
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Who's Billy and when was he lost?
 
mstricky said:
I read this thread up to about page 43.
I listened to Alderbank's recordings that he gave a link and retitled them. (For Flaccon)
I did not hear any voices at all nor any sound remotely like one.
I was hoping I would hear lots of words
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Don't you see, this is so similar to what people are saying about the things you post:

"We don't hear/see/feel what the claimant does, and we see no external, objective evidence that would allow us to be sympathetic to, or more willing to believe, what the claimant says."

I know that sometimes people have gotten sarcastic, here or in your thread, but I believe that is mostly caused by frustration. Why the heck can't flaccon/mstricky/whoever see that there's no objective evidence??

With respect to your hope of hearing "lots of words," many of us, certainly including me, would be thrilled to have evidence of (at least some) paranormal phenomena. I don't believe in the continuation of life somewhere else after death in this 3-space, but I would LOVE to see objective evidence of telepathy.* How neat would that be!?

xterra

*Did you ever read any of James Schmitz's Telzey or Trigger stories? If not, try them.
 
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Except of course, that that Burmingham clip did not contain the word "Tracey"..
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I recorded audio from the Birmingham video with Audacity and made a clip of the utterances at 19-20 seconds, amplified and slowed down.

As I'm not certain that audio clips from YouTube videos can be posted here, hence attached a graphic representation of the relevant audio. The 'syllable' between "try"/"can" and "see" is clearly visible.

Although I initially felt there was a definite "t" sound at the beginning, I now feel that a "k" sound is entirely plausible.

But no "Tracey".
 

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scrappy said:
3 family members who know without a doubt what their own father sounds like.
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Are any of those "3 family members" Carolanne or Sherry?



scrappy said:
I can at least identify her voice, and its alongside a voice that she claims is her fathers voice. It is also the same voice that emits from my computer.
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How many times did you meet flaccon's father, if ever?
 
scrappy said:
Not bystanders talking. the woman shouts out "you stupid bstd's" I know her voice, so does she and so do others. 4 of her family names are mentioned, ending with her father informing tracey that her brother Billy has been found. He says @13 - "our billys just found us , we've got compu-ters)
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Now that I know what I'm supposed to be hearing I tried listening to the clip again multiple times on my Kindle Fire tablet using my Bose headphones.

All I can say is that you and flaccon must have incredibly vivid imaginations. I heard nothing remotely resembling what you describe. The woman who starts talking about 8 seconds in is young (no more than 30 I'd say) and appears to be issuing instructions - the first thing she says is "You ... you put <indistinct> up". I can make out the word 'up' a few more times and I think the last thing she says is "That's great, innit?". There's a young man's voice towards the end of the clip who appears to be replying to her and also says "up".

The voice at around 13 seconds is an older man's voice but it's much quieter than the woman's and it's impossible to make out anything he says.
 
scrappy said:
Sorry correction, her health was described by the GP as "a massive improvement" and her healing was overnight, not over the course of a year.

(With permission) Flaccon does not ask her GP if he believes, nor will she ask, but she played him various recordings last month, also showed him an image she'd received (of her mother) she matched the voices up, and matched the image to a photograph of her mother, and asked him a question "when is a delusion not a delusion"
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