Looking for Skeptics

[Donn]

No, that is the gist of a sceptic. Nothing was blown up, it's just good reference from a genius.

So, can you provide details of this "good reference"?

What is this device you keep asking for? Are we supposed to find one, build one? Where and how?

Sounds like you have added an impossible quest on top of your unlikely spirits in order to isolate yourself from sense. A Rhotorical move to be certain. Well played Sir.

Next step is to discuss with open-minded people, followed by believer's.

What you will get from the acceptics (bleevers) will be a wild array of lipstick for your invisible pig. They are sure to lavish the Emperor's new clothes with fractal praise.

Final step is the proper hands-on investigation by such organisations as ASKE.

Sure, but you are not ready to deploy that light-sabre yet Padawan. Pass first the hurdle of reality you must.

all I really am is a "witness" with evidence that is worthy of investigating.

Please provide this evidence with no further prevarication.

 

[Cassidy]

My reference to what Edison said and "nonsense" was more about how it's been interpreted by believers over the decades as I signified by the addition of the word "reportedly" in parenthesis. Of course, if you can actually develop a test that provides evidence that Edison was correct, I will no longer call it nonsense, until you do that, nonsense is the best word for it because what you claim contains no sense.


It's just the way you phrased your claim relying on something said nearly 100 years ago while at the same time making a multitude of claims that you can do what Edison suggested in the here and now. Your claim is really that you can do it and has nothing to do with Edison or his non existent machine. It is entirely to do with you and the equipment you use to do it today. Equipment and methods that can be tested as opposed to equipment that doesn't exist.

You mentioned it yes, you didn't say exactly what it was.
There are so many different types of recording devices, microphones, amplifiers and speakers all of which have their own characteristics both audiably and electronically.
For instance, here in the spare room which I use for a recording studio, I have half a dozen different types of microphone, two different mixing desks, I used to record onto three different types of media (until I sold the Fostex R8 tape machine), the signal goes through one of two amps (a domestic amp or a studio reference amp) and that signal is then redirected to three different types of speaker.

If I'm having a problem getting a sound I want or indeed getting rid of a frequency I don't want, it is essential to know exactly which route the signal is going so I can sort it out. If I need to speak to someone else about it, it is essential that they know exactly what equipment the signal is going through, otherwise they are simply stabbing in the dark.

This is why it is essential that you list the make and model of all the equipment you are using and describe in detail as clearly as possible the method you are using to get your results. If you don't do this, we are just stabbing in the dark.


Sorry, I'm trying to be as clear as possible. When I say you set equipment up, I'm asking you what equipment you use and to describe exactly how you use it. The simple act of pluging in a recording machine and switching it on and pointing a microphone is "setting equipment up". I'm not suggesting you had to "set it up" in some underhand or special way.


Edison was not working on such a device, or at the very least, there is absolutely no evidence that such a device ever existed. Bearing in mind the multitude of devices he successfully developed that our homes became filled with, the thousand plus detailed patents that he filed with detailed technical drawings and the files and files of his designs and ideas that are in existence, how or why would it only be this particular machine which was totally absent by evidence?
Why do you cling to this vague notion while ignoring the decades of scientific research backed up by verifiable evidence that shows a total lack of evidence for the existence of spirits?

Equipment being manipulated is a Samsung laptop. A set of external Bose C2 speakers, good but requires more volume. They say there are certain electric wires/cables that enables them to channel into. They say they do not require a laptop, just certain wires/cables from the laptop. This isn't the only laptop they have channelled into, they channelled into a previous laptop.

I need to upgrade the speakers, produce more volume, to identify the background conversations. I'd appreciate any suggestions on the best speakers to use for a more powerful volume.

Edit; How is it about me? and it's not about money. It's not about Edison, other than his contribution, suggesting that such a device would be possible.

 

[Agatha]

If I've understood you correctly, flaccon, you are using the internal microphone of the laptop, a program such as Windows media player to start or stop the recording, and then a pair of external speakers to listen to the sounds, is that right?

 

[Cassidy]

If I've understood you correctly, flaccon, you are using the internal microphone of the laptop, a program such as Windows media player to start or stop the recording, and then a pair of external speakers to listen to the sounds, is that right?

Exactly correct, hence their request for a more suitable device.

 

[wardenclyffe]

Skint, but I can't complain. A warm bed and clean food and water, any more than that is a bonus. The spirits are keen to cooperate with outsiders, to the best of their ability. That's their intention. They tell me I need an education I do agree, it's too complicated for me to understand, but their words are clear enough to understand that they mean business.
Any possible prize money, apart from a wage, has to go towards Charity.

I'm pleased to hear that your financial situation keeps you comfortable. I'm also pleased to hear that you would donate any prize money from this situation to charity. That act (after the fact) will only make the world take the spirits even more seriously. The money will give the spirits the attention that they and you want them to have. Giving the money away will make the messages of the spirits and you seem even more sincere.

Here is my fear (and a prediction). When push comes to shove---when you and the spirits are actually faced with a serious test along the lines of what Pixel42 is suggesting---the spirits will become shy/insulted/uncooperative. You will become frustrated and you will feel that you have been left with the curse of Cassandra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra).

Understand that I do not wish for this outcome, but I do predict this outcome.

Ward

 

[Cassidy]

So, can you provide details of this "good reference"?

What is this device you keep asking for? Are we supposed to find one, build one? Where and how?

Sounds like you have added an impossible quest on top of your unlikely spirits in order to isolate yourself from sense. A Rhotorical move to be certain. Well played Sir.


What you will get from the acceptics (bleevers) will be a wild array of lipstick for your invisible pig. They are sure to lavish the Emperor's new clothes with fractal praise.


Sure, but you are not ready to deploy that light-sabre yet Padawan. Pass first the hurdle of reality you must.


Please provide this evidence with no further prevarication.

How is it impossible? It's only impossible until it becomes possible, like every successful invention. Eureka is not a thing of the past. I'm providing the evidence to those I can reach, through demonstrating their ability to communicate. Their original plan was to expose themselves through the Churches. This would have spared me a more slow release.

 

[Mojo]

You really should put "for entertainment purposes only" onto the pages offering readings, particularly as you claim healings, otherwise you may find yourself breaking the law in the UK.

The exemption for "anything done solely for the purpose of entertainment" was a provision of the Fraudulent Mediums Act 1951, which has now been repealed. The legislation that replaces it includes "Falsely claiming that a product is able to cure illnesses, dysfunction or malformations" in its list of "commercial practices which are in all circumstances considered unfair". I don't think the "entertainment only" exemption applies any more.

 

[Mojo]

It's not about Edison, other than his contribution, suggesting that such a device would be possible.

It's not about Edison other than your attempt to use him as an appeal to authority.

It doesn't matter what he may have believed. The only thing that would be relevant here would be if he had actually constructed such a device and got it to work. You have no evidence that he even carried out any research into this, far less that it worked.

 

[Donn]

How is it impossible? It's only impossible until it becomes possible, like every successful invention. Eureka is not a thing of the past. I'm providing the evidence to those I can reach, through demonstrating their ability to communicate. Their original plan was to expose themselves through the Churches. This would have spared me a more slow release.

Small animals enjoy chewing holes in shoes it's soul food. Eureka is a thing of the past as my bath has a missing plug. Through demonstrating provision they evidence ability. It's a faith thing. Non sequitur ergo proper hoc post.

 

[chillzero]

flaccon...

What does "price varies according to postcodes" mean?

?

 

[Donn]

Might as well ask again:

So, can you provide details of this "good reference" for Edison's device?
What is this device you keep asking for? Are we supposed to find one, build one? Where and how?

Zzzz..

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

Why would you need a better device? Why is the evidence you have now acceptable to you, if it's not sufficient to convince anyone else?
These are important questions to ask yourself, imnsho.

If you're the only one understanding the spirits now, you'll probably be the only one understanding them on a "more suitable" device.

 

[aggle-rithm]

I'm providing the evidence to those I can reach, through demonstrating their ability to communicate. Their original plan was to expose themselves through the Churches. This would have spared me a more slow release.

flaccon,

I think the biggest mistake you're making is in assuming that these spirits actually exist and have well-defined motives. Even if the recordings and images are in fact real attempts at communication, there is no way to know for sure where they are coming from.

I believe they're coming from inside your head. A UFO believer might think they're coming from aliens. A Pentecostal preacher might think they are Satan. What objective data do you have to demonstrate that your particular interpretation is the correct one?

 

[padego]

flaccon...

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If I were to guess it's may be the distance she has to travel to do the reading, cost of train ticket etc. but what if the client comes to her?

Anyway, after perusing her site I'm going with pareidolia.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Might as well ask again:

So, can you provide details of this "good reference" for Edison's device?
What is this device you keep asking for? Are we supposed to find one, build one? Where and how?

Zzzz..

I think the reason Edison never finished this device is that no one else had invented one, so there was nothing for him to steal.

 

[Stray Cat]

Thanks for your reply Flaccon, we are maybe starting to get somewhere.

Equipment being manipulated is a Samsung laptop. A set of external Bose C2 speakers, good but requires more volume.

And as stated, you use the laptop internal microphone and record through windows media player. So you have a very 'basic' set up that will inevitably cause a lot of background interference and hiss which you can hear voices in.

They say there are certain electric wires/cables that enables them to channel into. They say they do not require a laptop, just certain wires/cables from the laptop. This isn't the only laptop they have channelled into, they channelled into a previous laptop.

If you can get this information from the voices you hear, would it be possible to ask them for more detail? It doesn't matter if you understand the level of detail, just so long as you can pass that information to someone who does understand it.

I need to upgrade the speakers, produce more volume, to identify the background conversations. I'd appreciate any suggestions on the best speakers to use for a more powerful volume.

Volume doesn't come from speakers, speakers only output the volume given by the amp. In the case of the Bose C2 speakers, they have an integrated amp and are matched perfectly to the performance of the speakers. Bose are extremely expert in maximising the efficiency of their speakers systems (I myself use Bose 802 speakers at my smaller gigs because of their immense power handling in a relation of size).
If you try to increase the volume of your recordings, you will only increase the volume of the background interference and hiss. What you maybe need are audio filters in your recording software. A parameteric equaliser or suchlike will allow you to filter out the frequencies that you don't need to hear, thereby enhancing the one's you do (in this case your claimed spirit voices).
I'd still like to hear a sample of these recordings you have done. You can easily upload them to Soundcloud it's totally free of charge and if you didn't want them to public, you can then just send the people you want to listen to them a PM with a direct link. You can of course then delete them at any time you wish to.

Edit; How is it about me?

It's about you because you are the one here making the claims.

and it's not about money.

I don't think anyone is saying it is about the money.
For me at least, money is a byproduct of me doing what I have a need to do and enjoy doing.

It's not about Edison, other than his contribution, suggesting that such a device would be possible.

He made no contribution any more than Joules Verne made a contribution to geology when he wrote Journey to the Center of the Earth.

 

[Belz...]

I'm a skeptic. You've found me. Congratulations and you're welcome.

When religion becomes nothing more than a pile of irrelevant issues, it's time to turn to Jesus

That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Belz...]

I'm sure he has a lot to do with it. I'm looking for help more than anything, but til help arrives, I'm going to try for some prize money. The quote, was from the spirits themselves, who are fed up of listening to the Church hood who refuse to speak with them because it's considered an insult to God.. for real. If you had external quality speakers, I'd love to post you a demo of how the spirit world sounds.

Assuming you're being honest about your motives, I have a question: why has no one detected spirits before if they can interact with your sound system ?

 

[Cassidy]

No, the non sequitur is in your statement that you cannot believe that paredolia is the answer because you can recognise voices in the sounds.

That is precisely what paredolia is.

So Paredolia is the explanation, and "Spiritual contact" isn't.

 

[Belz...]

One of the spirits is clearly my Father.

1) How do you know they are spirits and not figments of your imagination ?
2) How can you tell this particular one is your father ?
3) Can you demonstrate it ?

I haven't tested nothing like that, it's all new to me. I've no idea of their full potential. They can speak, heal, draw, explain certain things, differentiate colours, join in conversation.

Other posters are suggesting mundane, non-supernatural explanations. You know, explanations known to match these experiences. You should explain why these don't work in this case, before concluding that we're talking about spirits.