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flaccon said:
So Paredolia is the explanation, and "Spiritual contact" isn't. :boxedin:
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Probably. It's always turned out to be the explanation in the past, when claims like yours have been put to the test. But you won't know for certain until you do some careful testing yourself.
 
flaccon said:
So Paredolia is the explanation, and "Spiritual contact" isn't. :boxedin:
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Yes, unless you can demonstrate that it is spiritual contact and not pareidolia.

There is evidence that pareidolia happens. There is no good evidence for spiritual contact. Accepting pareidolia as the explanation therefore involves making fewer assumptions that are not supported by evidence.
 
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Thanks for your reply Flaccon, we are maybe starting to get somewhere.

And as stated, you use the laptop internal microphone and record through windows media player. So you have a very 'basic' set up that will inevitably cause a lot of background interference and hiss which you can hear voices in.

(Sorry no, Youcam Programme)

If you can get this information from the voices you hear, would it be possible to ask them for more detail? It doesn't matter if you understand the level of detail, just so long as you can pass that information to someone who does understand it.

(I ask, trouble is, if I don't know what the word means in the first place, I can't make out that particular word. Their voices overlap, but each tone is different. At first I assumed the background noises were just twittering sounds from the internal fan. I went Curry's to upgrade to a better quality speaker, the gent informed me that "twittering noises" from recordings shouldn't happen (just the hissing) When I re-heard the recordings through Bose, the twittering was louder, turned out to be a pile of entangled speech.)


Volume doesn't come from speakers, speakers only output the volume given by the amp. In the case of the Bose C2 speakers, they have an integrated amp and are matched perfectly to the performance of the speakers. Bose are extremely expert in maximising the efficiency of their speakers systems (I myself use Bose 802 speakers at my smaller gigs because of their immense power handling in a relation of size).
If you try to increase the volume of your recordings, you will only increase the volume of the background interference and hiss. What you maybe need are audio filters in your recording software. A parameteric equaliser or suchlike will allow you to filter out the frequencies that you don't need to hear, thereby enhancing the one's you do (in this case your claimed spirit voices).
I'd still like to hear a sample of these recordings you have done. You can easily upload them to Soundcloud it's totally free of charge and if you didn't want them to public, you can then just send the people you want to listen to them a PM with a direct link. You can of course then delete them at any time you wish to.


(Thanks for this link, that's great. I will investigate this and upload soon. I have a scrabble match on) Can you please tell me a better speaker I can use? Would Bose C3 have louder volume? My sister donated £200 towards speakers, I can add a further 200, so my limit is £400)

Edit; Sorry, my replies are in between your words. Trying to get the hang of sectioning replies like what you do)
 
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You might find that better speakers will make the spirit voices sound more like what they really are: noise.

IXP
 
flaccon said:
Very thought-provoking question, thanks. (need to think on this)

Edit; I don't actually think I have an ability as such. I wouldn't be the one failing, it would the spirits who would fail. After what I've witnessed, I've enough confidence to say that they will pass, enough to be considered as "actual" spirit voices trying to communicate.
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Oh, but you would be the one failing. You have concluded you are hearing voices and they are of spirits. You have your reasons for believing your conclusions to be true, but as others have pointed out, there may be alternate explanations.

Your beliefs have caused you to leap forward a bit. Sure, with your conclusion taken as established indisputable fact, then, you could say you wouldn't be the one failing. But that is not the case. We aren't there, yet.

It is not an established fact they are voices at all, let alone from the spirit world.

You need to demonstrate that they are the dead talking. For that you need a claim of something you can do that would require the paranormal and you need a rigorous test plan to validate your claim.

To win any of the prizes out there, we don't need to prove you wrong, you need to prove you right.

And so, I ask again, what if you fail?
 
zooterkin said:
Let me just see if I've got this straight:

You record for 12 seconds, then stop. Then you ask a question. Then you playback what you recorded before you asked the question, and you hear an answer?

So you're saying that not only can the dead talk to us via EVP, but they can also see into the future to know what question you're going to ask?
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They're not dead, they don't sound dead at all. I doubt they're actually being recorded. I'm almost sure they speak when I press playback.
 
jsfisher said:
Oh, but you would be the one failing. You have concluded you are hearing voices and they are of spirits. You have your reasons for believing your conclusions to be true, but as others have pointed out, there may be alternate explanations.

Your beliefs have caused you to leap forward a bit. Sure, with your conclusion taken as established indisputable fact, then, you could say you wouldn't be the one failing. But that is not the case. We aren't there, yet.

It is not an established fact they are voices at all, let alone from the spirit world.

You need to demonstrate that they are the dead talking. For that you need a claim of something you can do that would require the paranormal and you need a rigorous test plan to validate your claim.

To win any of the prizes out there, we don't need to prove you wrong, you need to prove you right.

And so, I ask again, what if you fail?
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I wouldn't be here if I thought there was no chance at all. But again, I have to say, a failing cannot wipe out the previous 20 years.
 
flaccon said:
I doubt they're actually being recorded. I'm almost sure they speak when I press playback.
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Would you be so kind as to clarify this? Are you suggesting that rather than the voices being present on the recording, the spirits actually start speaking audibly to you when you play back the recording -- i.e. you're not hearing a recording of the "voices" at all, but rather the actual voices in real time? That seems (to me) to be what you're saying, but I'd like to make sure before replying further.
 
flaccon said:
They're not dead, they don't sound dead at all. I doubt they're actually being recorded. I'm almost sure they speak when I press playback.
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I think it's unlikely to be productive asking for advice on what equipment to use to hear these voices more clearly since even if we were to accept that the voices exist outside of your imagination, we'd have no idea of how they influence audio equipment.

It seems to me that the best advice you've received so far is that you should test the phenomenon objectively to yourself: Either show that 2 people hear the same message independently and without conferring, or show that the messages can give you verifiable information you don't already know (such as the colour of playing cards you haven't yet seen).
 
flaccon said:
I wouldn't be here if I thought there was no chance at all. But again, I have to say, a failing cannot wipe out the previous 20 years.
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Second part first: Why not? Twenty years or twenty seconds, what difference would that make? If there was a faulty assumption in there at the core, then there is a faulty assumption in there at the core, and its longevity doesn't make it any less faulty.

Consider for how long the Earth was flat.

As for the first part: Well, perhaps there's a schism between intellect and emotion at work. You may have come here for all the right reasons, but you are far too quick to discount what others are posting for me to believe you are internally of one mind. Intellectually, you invite challenge; emotionally, you cast any challenge aside.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
I think it's unlikely to be productive asking for advice on what equipment to use to hear these voices more clearly since even if we were to accept that the voices exist outside of your imagination, we'd have no idea of how they influence audio equipment.

It seems to me that the best advice you've received so far is that you should test the phenomenon objectively to yourself: Either show that 2 people hear the same message independently and without conferring, or show that the messages can give you verifiable information you don't already know (such as the colour of playing cards you haven't yet seen).
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Yes more than 2 people hear the same words/sentences. 3 people identified one of the voices (without prompt) I'm going to meet up with a friend this week, to clarify that his "own" voice is also present within one of the recordings.
 
flaccon said:
Yes more than 2 people hear the same words/sentences.
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Without you telling them what you heard?

flaccon said:
3 people identified one of the voices (without prompt) I'm going to meet up with a friend this week, to clarify that his "own" voice is also present within one of the recordings.
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Wait, you're saying a living person's "spirit" speaks in a recording?
 
jsfisher said:
Second part first: Why not? Twenty years or twenty seconds, what difference would that make? If there was a faulty assumption in there at the core, then there is a faulty assumption in there at the core, and its longevity doesn't make it any less faulty.

Consider for how long the Earth was flat.

As for the first part: Well, perhaps there's a schism between intellect and emotion at work. You may have come here for all the right reasons, but you are far too quick to discount what others are posting for me to believe you are internally of one mind. Intellectually, you invite challenge; emotionally, you cast any challenge aside.
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It wasn't 20 years of Paredolia, no faces or voices were ever present.

I came here to ask opinion, and I got opinion, some quite valuable opinion.

Unless I'm missing your point, I don't see where I've casted "challenge" aside.
 
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Without you telling them what you heard?



Wait, you're saying a living person's "spirit" speaks in a recording?
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Yes, without telling them what I hear.

Ref voice; I'm saying, that's what I heard yes. I've no idea if it's the voice from a living person's spirit, but there are definitely words being spoken in his voice. He has heard it via landline and recognises his full name being called out, and what "could be" his voice. I am going to go clarify it properly this week.
 
fuelair said:
I've turned a complete 360 three times now and jeebus still has not appeared. Does anyone know if he's just avoiding me after that first date? That would just be so mean!!!!!
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I talked to two different Jesus today alone - one was Jesus Martinez, one was Jesus Picazo.

What do I win?
 
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