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flaccon said:
No Jack, no background at all. Completely silent but not on mute. It was a simple request.
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Well, it might seem simple to you, but it leaves the rest of us rather bewildered trying to fathom exactly what the difference is between "completely silent" and "mute".

I rather suspect we are a cross purposes because we are using terminology to mean different things. For example when I said "background noise" I suspect that you think I meant the sounds of some activity going on away from the microphone. I don't mean that. I mean the very quiet ambience of the room where the recording was made plus any small amount of hiss introduced by the recoding equipment.

I assumed that the example recordings you provided were the type of thing you wanted. Those have a moderate amount of noise in the background, partly ambience from the room and partly distortion artefacts caused by the low-quality recording method.

You were sent some genuinely completely silent recordings, but they were not what you wanted.

You were sent others which were more like the recordings of yours which we heard. It appears you deleted them. I am willing to send you more.


I cooled off from here because I couldn't get my head round the false accusations that were happening, to the point where calling the police was mentioned.
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That actually happened a month or more before you stopped posting. If you recall, Alderbank was told by a family member they were somewhat alarmed and bewildered by a confusing telephone call she had received from you. Alderbank was very upset that what he took to be a threatening phone call had been made to someone in his family. He later apologised for losing his temper.

I must say that if your writing style echoes your telephone manner, I'm not surprised that someone receiving a call from a stranger, who talked about very strange things without really explaining why, would find such a call alarming and bewildering.
 
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flaccon said:
Pixel I didn't say paredolia is a delusion. Since I discovered the word, of course its perfectly plausible, but doesn't account for accurate and recognisable images of my family members. Also doesn't account for the images that tell a story. It's too uncanny to be paredolia.
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The delusion is not in the fact that you hear something in noise. The delusion is in your insistance that they are clearly an unmistakeably messages in your father's voice, when independent listeners can, at best, make out one or two distorted words in what does not sound at all like a natural voice. It is your interpretation of a fully normal phenomenon that is delusional.

IXP
 
flaccon said:
But on a more positive note, the voice that now emits from Mr Roberts computer, does not distort after transference. If he can send to me, and I receive them undistorted, he can send to others, for instance Box.com.
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flaccon,

It has be explained to you many times, but people (like me) who are professionals in computer software and hardware, that copying of digital files does not distort them. On what superior knowledge are you basing the assertion that they do distort? The fact that they sound different when played over the phone rather than when copied? If you cannot figure out why this would be so, you are beyond hope.

IXP
 
flaccon said:
Posting anything is impossible on my computer. Out of respect for the family I doubt I'd want to show these images globally. The story images would mean little to you, as you don't believe a word I'm saying but yes, I'd love to show you a few latest ones, coupled with the story.
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You don't really believe a word you're saying either, otherwise you'd be eager to have you're claims properly tested. You'd be eager to establish objective criteria for these "ghosts", instead of avoiding it like the plague.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
As I wrote on 21st July: "Scrappy emailed me to say he listened to both the files I sent and he initially thought both were silent. Listening again he thought one of them now had some interference on it, so he asked me to check the originals. I did so and both are unchanged and their MD5 hashes are unaltered."




Well, I have never posted anything to box.com before, but I suppose I ought to be able work it out. Then again, I would expect that either you or scrappy ought to be able to do it too.



But once again you have managed to reply to what I thought was a simple question (do you want me to re-send you the quiet sound files you asked for but deleted?) in a way which doesn't actually answer that question but instead introduces yet more confusion: I don't understand which files you are suggesting emailing to me. What are those files? Where did they come from? What's in them and why do you want someone to share them on box.com?
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..Flaccons PC wont allow her to attach anything, I tried to attach a file to here but couldn't work it out. I sent you a file. This is the noise that comes from my PC since we did that test back in June.
 
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Flaccon,

Okay, now I'm really confused. :boggled: I thought I understood your explanation of how the voices entered recordings, or rather your best guess as to how it happens - I get that you're not claiming to possess any high-tech skills and can only share your personal observations - but I'm afraid I may have "overthought" to a point of completely misunderstanding the process. If I have, I apologize.

Would you (or anyone here) clarify some things to help me out?

_ Regarding the earlier recordings discussed here: These recordings needed to be made in a quiet environment so that the spirits' voices would easily stand out in playback. Recording with the microphone muted wouldn't work because the spirits use wires and cables (channeling through flaccon's fingers) to enter the file, not the computer itself. Muting the microphone cuts off the path they travel. Is this correct?

The spirits insert words into the recording as you (flaccon) listen to the playback, not during the recording itself. If you sent someone a copy of the recording before you listened to it, that copy would remain unaltered, unless you "calibrated" that person's computer, as you did with Mr. Roberts' (Scrappy's) laptop in mid-June. Once a computer is calibrated, voices will be heard in recordings made by that person; a kind of chain-reaction occurs. Is this correct?

_ Regarding the YouTube videos: The videos are altered in the same manner as the private recordings, using you (flaccon) as the conduit to access the file. The spirits require both flaccon's physical presence and electric wires and cables. In other words, Scrappy playing a video to flaccon over a phone line has no effect. Once flaccon views the YouTube video on her computer, words are added and when Scrappy replays the same clip, he hears the altered version. Is this correct?

Also, does the video need to be refreshed, or will the inserted words be heard even if it's replayed from the browser cache or from a local copy saved to a personal computer using a video capture app?

Calibrating individual computers is no longer necessary. Flaccon's physical self is still required, but the spirits have learned how to alter the original (uploader's) copy independently. The result is that anyone viewing the video will hear the voices. I'm not being facetious; I accept that they are capable of learning. Is this correct?

_ Regarding the original file: Does that refer to the file on YouTube's server?

_ Regarding the images: The spirits urged you to closely examine (your) bloodstains on a shirt. Doing so, you discovered there were images in them, mostly faces. So far you've found about 60 images in these bloodstains. Is this correct?

The spirits also urged you to have the blood tested, which you did and are currently awaiting the results of the tests. Is this correct?

The spirits are now producing images in tiny flicks of paint. These images are new and not part of the 60 original images. Is this correct?

Sorry for asking so many questions. I'm comfortable sharing my opinions here but they're meaningless if I have the facts all wrong. If I've made a hot mess of your comments, I apologize and look forward to being corrected. Thank you! :)

Scordatura
 
You know, it really comes down to just 2 possible explanations of what flaccon is experiencing:

Possiblilty 1

She hears clear sentences where other non-biased people hear only noise.
When she is involved, files distort when copied via the internet.
When she listens to a sound clip, it changes audibly with no change in the bits of the file.
These changes occur on all copies of the file, everywhere.
She can positively identify the voice of her father on a muffled unintelligable recording of maybe one or two words.
Spirits talk to her, and explain the mystery of universe, but...
She cannot convey this knowledge to us.
In summary, she is the most special person in the world.


Possibility 2

She is interpreting mundane experiences as extraordinary.

If possibility one is true, the infinite improbability drive would explode.

IXP
 
scrappy said:
..Flaccons PC wont allow her to attach anything, ...
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Nonsense.

scrappy said:
... I tried to attach a file to here but couldn't work it out. ...
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Hilite by DaylightstarJuly 7, 2013:
Daylightstar said:
If you click "Go Advanced" below the message box, you'll find below the advanced message box an area called "Additional Options".
In that area there is a button called "Manage attachments".
Click that button and you'll get a window allowing you to upload two files at the same time and showing you a list of various allowed file types and their upload limits.

If your file type is not there, you can stick it in an allowed zip file and post it, keeping in mind the limit for a zip file.
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Scordatura said:
Flaccon,

Would you (or anyone here) clarify some things to help me out?

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Sorry for asking so many questions. I'm comfortable sharing my opinions here but they're meaningless if I have the facts all wrong. If I've made a hot mess of your comments, I apologize and look forward to being corrected. Thank you! :)

Scordatura
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I think you have made a pretty good job of summarising flaccon's opinions and beliefs in this thread, Scordatura. However none of them are facts. flaccon was unsuccessful in actually demonstrating any of the above. They are all unsupported claims


Scordatura said:
The spirits also urged you to have the blood tested, which you did and are currently awaiting the results of the tests. Is this correct? Scordatura
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flaccon said she was going to have the blood DNA matched with Jesus's blood. We have heard nothing since. I suspect she might not have found a laboratory able to do this.
 
zooterkin said:
Did we find out what the contest was, yet?
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From flaccon's comments it sounds very much like ASKE's Sisyphus pre-test.

Sisyphus is the Million Euro Challenge, the Belgian Skeptical Society's version of the JREF MDC. The preliminary tests were to be carried out in the applicant's home country. ASKE would have done this in the UK. http://www.aske-skeptics.org.uk/pretest.html.

flaccon said she had supplied all the required documentation such as testimonials from her doctor and other professionals However I see two problems:

The rules include

The applicant must state clearly in advance, and the applicant and ASKE will agree upon, what powers or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result. This is the primary and most important of these rules. In accordance with the rules outlined by SKEPP for the pre-test, the applicant must submit a one-page description of his or her claim, along with a concise test protocol proposal that describes how the claim will be demonstrated, the circumstances under which the demonstration will take place, and the degree of accuracy the applicant claims to achieve (i.e.; what results will constitute a successful demonstration).​

We know that flaccon cannot do this. Also, the ASKE 'contest' closed a few weeks ago, perhaps because there were no applicants.

As we speak ASKE is in the process of preparing a new challenge http://www.aske-skeptics.org.uk/challenge_rules.html. When it is launched, should flaccon apply?
 
scrappy said:
..Flaccons PC wont allow her to attach anything, I tried to attach a file to here but couldn't work it out. I sent you a file. This is the noise that comes from my PC since we did that test back in June.
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Hi scrappy. The file you have sent me is another blacked out video clip of about 20 seconds, which sounds plausibly like the audio is from a laptop's built in microphone. Lots of background hum and noise.

There's a quiet, muffled man's voice at the start saying a few words and it might have been interesting to see if we agreed on he was saying but unfortunately the file name you chose gives away the words you expect me to hear.

I attempted to upload a (renamed) version of the file here, but at 1.5MB it's 5 times bigger than the limit for zipped files. If you would like others to hear it, I suggest you either request Alderbank to host it as he already has a free box.com account, or you sign up here and get one of your own: https://app.box.com/signup/personal/

I'm not sure what it would actually prove, though. It's just a noisy recording with a man's voice in the background that's hard to make out.
 
Alderbank said:
I think you have made a pretty good job of summarising flaccon's opinions and beliefs in this thread, Scordatura. However none of them are facts. flaccon was unsuccessful in actually demonstrating any of the above. They are all unsupported claims
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Oops, you're right, I should have said claims not facts. I tried to edit my post but it's past the time allowed. For the record, I haven't seen any evidence so far that supports the claims.

Alderbank said:
flaccon said she was going to have the blood DNA matched with Jesus's blood. We have heard nothing since. I suspect she might not have found a laboratory able to do this.
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Ah, okay, thanks. No wonder it's taking such a long time...:eek:
 
Scordatura said:
Oops, you're right, I should have said claims not facts. I tried to edit my post but it's past the time allowed. For the record, I haven't seen any evidence so far that supports the claims.



Ah, okay, thanks. No wonder it's taking such a long time...:eek:
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from what I know of the original stains, she called forensics who quoted £1000 no guarantee. The Gp is witnessing evidence that supports her claims. Last week the Gp told her that he hears and see's clearly, he also asked her did she still have the original stains.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Hi scrappy. The file you have sent me is another blacked out video clip of about 20 seconds, which sounds plausibly like the audio is from a laptop's built in microphone. Lots of background hum and noise.

There's a quiet, muffled man's voice at the start saying a few words and it might have been interesting to see if we agreed on he was saying but unfortunately the file name you chose gives away the words you expect me to hear.

I attempted to upload a (renamed) version of the file here, but at 1.5MB it's 5 times bigger than the limit for zipped files. If you would like others to hear it, I suggest you either request Alderbank to host it as he already has a free box.com account, or you sign up here and get one of your own: https://app.box.com/signup/personal/

I'm not sure what it would actually prove, though. It's just a noisy recording with a man's voice in the background that's hard to make out.
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Hi jack. I blocked the lens with card. Flaccon asked me to do a silent recording in Jan and asked what my PC's background noises sounded like. There was no noise at all on it, apart from the quiet hiss.

The file I sent to you earlier, is what comes out of my recordings since I sent Flaccon that "silent" file in June. This is the voice that she (and other fam members) claims to be her fathers voice.
 
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