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I propose we take flaccon's specific claim "the spirits can transfer into James Randi's laptop and speak to him" to the other thread and try to come up with an acceptable objective test protocol for it. We can then do a dry run with someone other than Randi.
 
I am wondering this, if I was to go for the cash prize, claiming that the spirits can transfer into James Randi's laptop and speak to him, would he consider this Paredolia?

The test team would find what the issue actually is. Be it pareidolia, fake recordings, or even spirits.

You would need a clean bill of health from a mental health professional. Randi is not in the business of embarrassing the ill.

Then you would need an actual testable claim.

Then you would need a protocol which sets out to demonstrate or falsify your claim.

Then, if the spirits prove their existence, you get the money.

If they don't, you don't. Then you can go on believing in nonsense, but we'll all know it's delusion at that point.
 
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You would need to come up with a test protocol for that claim which ruled out pareidolia. If you did, and the test produced a positive result, you would get the million.

My laptop altered and I have a voice every time I record . Would this be paredolia ?
 
What part of "Tracy has not had a connection in weeks" can not be understood?

Listen scrappy, there are 150 wifi hotspots around Chester. There are also mobile broadband from all mobile phone service providers. I call BS. Even in rural Ross and Cromarty we have wifi hotspots. Anyone with a BT router will have a BTFON as part of that, meaning that neighbours can connect to it. If flaccon's neighbours have BT internet odds are there will be a BTFON hotspot.

I've had to use my next door neighbour's BTFON when TalkTalk went down. It's £15 for 5 days; £3 a day is what it comes down to. A month for £30-ish.

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My laptop altered and I have a voice every time I record . Would this be paredolia ?

We don't know what "altered" means. And yes, if you hear voices in noise, it is always pareidolia. Well, so far. Perhaps you are willing to prove otherwise, but we'll need more than a testimonial. Have you not read the thread?
 
My laptop altered and I have a voice every time I record . Would this be paredolia ?
Quite possibly, yes.

Please understand that everyone is predisposed to interpret sounds on recordings as words. If they're not expecting to hear words the first time they play the recording, and are expecting to hear words the next time they play it, it's very likely that they will experience pareidolia the second time and not the first.
 
The test team would find what the issue actually is. Be it pareidolia, fake recordings, or even spirits.

You would need a clean bill of health from a mental health professional. Randi is not in the business of embarrassing the ill.

Then you would need an actual testable claim.

Then you would need a protocol which sets out to demonstrate or falsify your claim.

Then, if the spirits prove their existence, you get the money.

If they don't, you don't. Then you can go on believing in nonsense, but we'll all know it's delusion at that point.

I have no illness Maurice, and if altering J. Randi's computer is not enough, then its a good job I don't care for money isn'it
 
I have no illness Maurice, and if altering J. Randi's computer is not enough, then its a good job I don't care for money isn'it

When are you going to design a protocol? You are beginning to get up my nose with your stuff and nonsense. Get on and come up with a protocol or put a sock in it and stop whining like a broken recording of a dead horse being flogged.

ETA: And if you think this is impolite, it is nothing compared to what I am thinking so think yourself lucky.
 
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if altering J. Randi's computer is not enough, then its a good job I don't care for money isn'it
It is enough. It's just that you need to come up with an objective test protocol which demonstrates that that is what has actually happened. Given that we know that everyone (including James Randi) is predisposed to interpret sounds as words that explanation (aka pareidolia) would need to be excluded by the test protocol.
 
TEST WITH Mrs S: Mrs S came to my home to go through a basic test. Mrs K and Mr Roberts were the observers. I explained to Mrs S that she will hear much gobbeldy gook.

I did not prompt Mrs S on the initial records. Mrs S heard the word "Evidence" and immediately identified the word as evidence. Mrs S heard other words, and noise suggestive of words. We generated a fresh recording which was filled with too many overlapped voices, so we used a few of the older records. I asked the spirit to repeat certain phrases. 1, Beauchamp. 2, Evidence. 3, We don't belong in a circus. I listened in with her and said to her "I doubt you will hear that sentence its too long" She replied "Yes I got that sentence too" She also heard her full name called out several times and the spirit reminded her of a business she was thinking about. I had no idea what that part meant, but Mrs S explained it to me.

Later that day I called Mrs K to ask if Mrs S was ok and that I hoped it didn't scare her. Mrs K told me that Mrs S had said that she cannot deny what she heard, and that she was not afraid.

I have asked Mr Roberts to write out his evaluation regarding his computer altered. I will collect all these evaluations and then compare. I cannot accept Paredolia or delusional (sorry about that) I am certain that my GP would know if it was Paredolia or a delusion. I update the GP every time the spirits express a new ability.

Alderbank did not update the members with the conversation I recently had with the GP, but I reported everything so far, when he rang me.

This is why tests can be very difficult to configure. The test has to be constructed so that it rules out as many alternate explanations. The test you conducted wasn't configured to rule out alternate explanations. That's why it would be great for you to develop a protocol on the other thread. There, we can hash through what it would take to develop a test that was strong.
 
I propose we take flaccon's specific claim "the spirits can transfer into James Randi's laptop and speak to him" to the other thread and try to come up with an acceptable objective test protocol for it. We can then do a dry run with someone other than Randi.

Flaccon, do you agree, right now, to move to the other thread and commit yourself to working up a protocol that will rule out pareidolia?
 
Listen scrappy, there are 150 wifi hotspots around Chester. There are also mobile broadband from all mobile phone service providers. I call BS. Even in rural Ross and Cromarty we have wifi hotspots. Anyone with a BT router will have a BTFON as part of that, meaning that neighbours can connect to it. If flaccon's neighbours have BT internet odds are there will be a BTFON hotspot.

I've had to use my next door neighbour's BTFON when TalkTalk went down. It's £15 for 5 days; £3 a day is what it comes down to. A month for £30-ish.

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I'll not run about Chester trying for a connection to hear bs. I have a busy life offline you know. I won't be going nowhere for a connection, nor will I pay for BTFON. I will sort the connection via talktalk for free. If this thread was a little less viscious I would have probably gone for the BTFON.
 
Flaccon, do you agree, right now, to move to the other thread and commit yourself to working up a protocol that will rule out pareidolia?

Paul, I have agreed to everything that is possible. I have been willing from the off. Paul, how can I possibly work with anyone here after their endless retarded insults? Would you?
 
Yes, it could well be. It could also be a mental health disorder. I can't think of any other possibilities

My mind is fine, and my laptop was silent until I sent tracy a silent recording through a couple of weeks ago . How is this a illness or paredolia? please explain .
 
So now, Flocon doesn't want to work out a protocol because of our retarded insults. Great. Who would have thunk.

This is getting stupid. Talk, talk, talk, talk, bla, bla, yada, yada, derp detty derp derp... No action.

Evidence. Not talk. Evidence.
 
So even if a spirit clearly but quietly says "It's evident we don't belong in a circus" this is still Paredolia?


No, if a spirit clearly but quietly says "It's evident we don't belong in a circus", then that would be a spirit clearly but quietly saying "It's evident we don't belong in a circus".

However, someone thinking they heard the words "It's evident we don't belong in a circus" would not necessarily be evidence of a spirit clearly but quietly saying "It's evident we don't belong in a circus", because pareidolia would be a much more likely explanation for the apparent words than a spirit.
 
My mind is fine, and my laptop was silent until I sent tracy a silent recording through a couple of weeks ago . How is this a illness or paredolia? please explain .

I shall attempt an explanation. As from now it is establish that you are not me. BUT, because you are not me, you are now as deluded as me. It's near enough the same thing. Keep with it though Rob, baby steps remember.
 
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