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[Pixel42]

Ok Maurice, yes I can shut up and I will do.

We're not asking you to shut up, we're asking you to show some willingness to objectively test the claims you're making. Anyone can make claims. So far every test we've been able to do, up to and including having one of our number visit your home to investigate your claims in person, have supported the conclusion that you are experiencing pareidolia. Instead of acknowledging this you continue to make the same unsupported claims, and continue to make excuses. If that's all you're ever going to do then yes, there's no point in you continuing to post here.

 

[Cassidy]

So the goalposts have moved again. Why are you incapable of giving a straightforward answer instead of moving the goalposts? I predict you'll never ever engage with us to design a protocol as it's more satisfying to have a tantrum and play the victim when this whole debacle is entirely your own creation.

Where please have I moved the goal posts? I accepted the test and now its dismissed by posters isn't it? Tantrum and victim lol, behave yourself I had great morning. Listen, I have agreed to most requests here. God knows why folk wanted to see a GP letter, but I uploaded it anyway. Jsfisher asked me to return his altered file and I have done this also.

As you have convinced yourself of what my problem is, thank you for taking the time.

 

[Cassidy]

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We're not asking you to shut up, we're asking you to show some willingness to objectively test the claims you're making. Anyone can make claims. So far every test we've been able to do, up to and including having one of our number visit your home to investigate your claims in person, have supported the conclusion that you are experiencing pareidolia. Instead of acknowledging this you continue to make the same unsupported claims, and continue to make excuses. If that's all you're ever going to do then yes, there's no point in you continuing to post here.

One sec.. thinking

I have only been back online for a day. I have agreed, several times. Every time I agree, I am being told I havn't agreed. I've agreed to everything I am able to. I was told to go away and find out what the spirits can do, and they altered Rob's (Mr Roberts) laptop. I can't be more agreeable, but if you know a way how I can be more agreeable, please enlighten me. I am thinking maybe ask Rob to upload his altered file from Feb, but even that will prove nothing. So your right this time Pixel, there is no more I can do here.

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

Hi Flaccon,


True, you have been the butt of retarded jokes. In the bright side, you and Scrappy been the stars of some very funny, high quality jokes as well.

So you came looking for skeptics. Did you learn anything at all?

 

[desertgal]

Do you know that they are more than voices on computer?

No, they are actually less. They exist only in your mind.

Even if I was to ignore my Father et al, it would not stop.

True.

If you feel your assumptions to be correct, then so be it, I do not.

Fine, and vice versa, except we're not the ones making the claim of ghosts in the machine. It's obvious the only one with incorrect assumptions here is you.

Or was you. Seems flaccon's Internet connection has "failed" again.

 

[Mojo]

Where please have I moved the goal posts?

Well, for example, when you have responded to suggestions about how to test your claims be changing the claims from the voices being on the recordings to the voices being generated during playback.

And one of the most blatant examples was posted only yesterday:

Jsfisher. Mr Roberts played me 2 recordings of your over the phone. I heard one steady sound all the way through. When I managed 5 minutes online I downloaded your files and I heard odd interferences, and a voice calling Robin. When Mr Roberts replayed the message to me, it had very much altered identically. I am stumped for now as to why ALL the originals did not alter. What part of the world are you in? Cound you send me a WAV file instead of a WMA? I would like you to send this to both Mr Roberts and myself. I will hear his first, before I download it to this machine. Thanks for this Jsfisher.

flaccon, all four of the files I have sent to you have been .WAV files.

UHHH I just checked, Jfisher, your files are WAV, I require WMV.

 

[Alderbank]

As you have convinced yourself of what my problem is, thank you for taking the time.

No we haven't flaccon. You have convinced us.

We look for and weigh the evidence. There is now a lot of evidence, including files which you believe contain voices but do not and files which you are sure have changed but have not, which all point to the same conclusion which is that all these phenomena are inside your head.

We have asked and asked you and scrappy for any evidence at all to support any other conclusion and you produce none.

Can't you see this?

 

[tuxcat]

Where please have I moved the goal posts? I accepted the test and now its dismissed by posters isn't it? Tantrum and victim lol, behave yourself I had great morning. Listen, I have agreed to most requests here. God knows why folk wanted to see a GP letter, but I uploaded it anyway. Jsfisher asked me to return his altered file and I have done this also.

As you have convinced yourself of what my problem is, thank you for taking the time.

Well you claimed that the spirits will modify audio recordings on everyone's computer, then backtracked when MD5 hashes came up as it would disprove that claim. You also claimed that the spirits would be able to tell us what's on a card during a test, but backtracked. Suddenly the spirits can only be heard on your and scrappy's laptop and not anyone else's computer. Suddenly spirits can tell the future, suddenly they can't. Suddenly the spirits want to prevent a cataclysm, suddenly they can't.

You haven't agreed to any requests. You have not posted in the "skeptics and flaccon work out a protocol." You haven't developed a protocol. Unless you start doing that, you're proving yourself to be a creduloid that doesn't want to engage to find out what's happening.

You need to see a shrink. You have delusional disorder. You also have no insight into your delusional disorder. Textbook case. You convinced me with your rambling delusions.

If you continue to waste time with your nonsense, yes you will get laughed at. That's the way of the world.

Now when are you going to design a protocol - I don't want any more rabbiting on about robin, mr burglar, mr roberts or any other fictitious entities. I want you to go to that thread and design a protocol. Bet you won't though coz you're too afraid of losing your comfort blanket/mental heroin.

 

[tuxcat]

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One sec.. thinking

I have only been back online for a day. I have agreed, several times. Every time I agree, I am being told I havn't agreed. I've agreed to everything I am able to. I was told to go away and find out what the spirits can do, and they altered Rob's (Mr Roerts) laptop. I can't be more agreeable, but if you know a way how I can be more agreeable, please enlighten me. I am thinking maybe ask Rob to upload his altered file from Feb, but even that will prove nothing. So your right this time Pixel, there is no more I can do here.

^ This is irrelevant to your claim. It's just a red herring. Design a protocol that both skeptics and bleevers agree to. Unless you do that, you're just a joke. And a boring one at that.

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

Well, for example, when you have responded to suggestions about how to test your claims be changing the claims from the voices being on the recordings to the voices being generated during playback.

And one of the most blatant examples was posted only yesterday:

The spirits can see. Changed to: The spirits only see through my eyes.

The spirits can answer questions clearly, in full sentences. Changed to: We can make out a few words with a lot of practice.

This could go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and so on...

 

[Alderbank]

^ This is irrelevant to your claim. It's just a red herring. Design a protocol that both skeptics and bleevers agree to. Unless you do that, you're just a joke. And a boring one at that.

Tux, you should only use Ad Homs when you are losing the argument

 

[Pixel42]

if you know a way how I can be more agreeable, please enlighten me.

You can agree to an objective test protocol that will actually produce a meaningful result. Your excuse for not doing so is that the spirits won't agree to such a test, but that excuse is not tenable because it assumes the very fact we are trying to establish - that these spirits actually exist.

You need to discuss and agree a workable test protocol and carry it out, even if you think the spirits are complaining about it. If the result is positive we will help you apply to ASKE and/or JREF so your spirits can reveal their existence to the world, which you keep insisting is what they want. If the result is negative you need to accept that you are experiencing pareidolia, and move on with your life.

 

[Biscuit]

Flaccon if you don't like the responses some people have given as you think they insult you then don't respond to them. You are an adult and as such should be able to gloss over when an anonymous stranger on the Internet writes what you perceive to be an insult. If all else fails click on the posters name and in the drop down menu is the option to ignore that person. You will never see another post of theirs so long as they are on your ignore list.

Really simple question: do you want to state a claim and get our help in devising a protocol that could eliminate pareidolia as the cause of what you are hearing?

 

[Mojo]

You have not posted in the "skeptics and flaccon work out a protocol" [thread].

I've bumped the thread so flaccon can find it more easily.

 

[tuxcat]

Tux, you should only use Ad Homs when you are losing the argument

It's no even an argument - more of a monologue with a deaf brick.

 

[Alderbank]

Before anyone says anything they regret, could we call a truce?

I think that deep down we all want to see the same thing - skeptics and flaccon work out a protocol

Could we start afresh, let bygones be bygones and all work together?

I will commit to that. Anyone follow me?

ETA You first, flaccon?

 

[tuxcat]

Before anyone says anything they regret, could we call a truce?

I think that deep down we all want to see the same thing - skeptics and flaccon work out a protocol

Could we start afresh, let bygones be bygones and all work together?

I will commit to that. Anyone follow me?

ETA You first, flaccon?

I agree to this.

 

[Donn]

Could we start afresh, let bygones be bygones and all work together?

I will commit to that. Anyone follow me?

Okay, I'm there. In future I'll moderate my already moderate tone.

 

[Cassidy]

No we haven't flaccon. You have convinced us.

We look for and weigh the evidence. There is now a lot of evidence, including files which you believe contain voices but do not and files which you are sure have changed but have not, which all point to the same conclusion which is that all these phenomena are inside your head.

We have asked and asked you and scrappy for any evidence at all to support any other conclusion and you produce none.

Can't you see this?

Alderbank. Good to see we are online at the same time.
Alderbank, you politely came to my home, I thank you for that. I made you drinks and hopefully you felt comfortable enough? However since then you have had a bad attitude towards me without reason, and it has to stop.

I tested with a Mrs Sara R last week. I have 5 evaluations so far, 4 of which are the opposite to yours. Mrs Sara is a 35 year old navy officer.

Alderbank, I was asked to go away and see what the spirits were capable of, I did this and found that they could alter other computers. This is fact and can be proven. The fact that I am on an internet, I find proving anything impossible. (you didn't send me a WMV file btw) Anyway, I am not here to prove anything, I came here for help, and got back crap all because I don't agree to Paredolia or delusional. What did I learn here? I learned how to bite my lip and try again.

 

[Pixel42]

What exactly did Mrs Sara say? That she can interpret the noises she hears on your recordings as words (which no-one disputes)? Or that the words she hears are being produced by conscious entities of some kind? Is Mrs Sara aware of the phenomenon of pareidolia?