Merged Lockerbie bomber alive after 9 months

Rat said:
I would say it's an international issue. A US plane, allegedly blown up by Libyans, killing a variety of nationalities, having taking off from Germany (I think) and returned to earth in Scotland. Classing it as a solely US issue would be a little bit odd.
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Just to be absolutely accurate, the plane took off from Heathrow, having been loaded from empty there. This gave the UK complete jurisdiction over the incident, because the plane was under UK "host nation protection" at the time.

The explosion was identified as occurring in a container of baggage which mostly held luggage that had been transferred on the tarmac from a feeder flight from Frankfurt, but which also contained a small number of cases loaded into it at Heathrow, having come from other connecting flights.

A suitcase of the same description as the one identified as containing the bomb was seen by a Heathrow baggage superintendant in that container, in a position very close to where the explosion happened, before the Frankfurt flight landed. It was never established where that came from or who put it there. That suitcase was also not recovered after the disaster, and its owner was never identified. Oh and by the way, there was a break-in at the Heathrow terminal in question the night before all this happened.

But hey, we know the bomb must have been in the luggage that came off the Frankfurt flight because.... er well, read the court papers and see how that got spun.

Rolfe.
 
He said: “There was always a chance he could live for 10 years, 20 years … But it’s very unusual.”
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There is always a chance I could win the lottery but............

Those who think months of treatment, that is keeping him alive, is a walk in the park are delusional. Cancer is not a man flu.

I saw what 4 months chemo did to my mother. This man will die, whether it be in 2 months or 6 months from now. It matters not now.
 
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....Scotland soft on terrorism I see.....hmmmmmm....must not mention NORAID, Ted Kennedy, Patrick McGuire et al....
 
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Why not? I mentioned it (quite a lot) in the "Second amendment" thread when some clueless Yank started talking about "the recent terrorist attacks in the UK", and the poster in question deserted the thread never to be seen again.

It's a point that shouldn't be ignored.

Rolfe.
 
What? You think there is something hypocritical about being taken to task about terrorism, when wanted IRA MURDERERS were being sheltered by American politicians and those collecting tins on St Paddys Day in New York and Boston were being used to buy Armalites to kill British citizens? You jest surely....
 
:D Thigh-slapping doesn't begin to cover it....

Rolfe said:
[....] And as someone else pointed out, the Glasgow Airport bombers were set upon by the unarmed bystanders and nobody has been complaining that they didn't have a six-shooter in their sock. England and Ireland have had more experience of actual terrorist incidents than you've had hot dinners. It's actually got much, much safer in recent years, since the Northern Ireland peace process has been in place. In the 1970s I remember having my bag searched every time I went to the theatre in London, and that hasn't happened for years now.

You Yanks have absolutely no clue. We went through many years of very real and very serious threats of terrorism. Google Warrington, and Guildford, and Canary Wharf, and Brighton, and a lot more and that's without even mentioning the incidents in Ireland itself. And you know what? The main funding for all this was coming from America, smiled on and condoned by high US officials, who thought that their "Irish roots" entitled them to get all romantic about the "freedom struggle" and send lots of money to the IRA to buy Semtex from Gadaffi to blow up English children on the streets of Warrington.

You have no idea what it was like. You wouldn't listen to any pleas to close down Noraid and cut off the funding to the terrorists. That's right - in the late 20th century, Britain was under massive terrorist attack, funded from the USA.

And nobody wants to go around with a gun in their sock.

Then hey, you guys finally cop a hit, and you seem to think this has never happened to anyone else in the history of the world. You start pissing your pants in fear and advocating eveybody and their maiden aunt should be armed to the teeth. In the country that saw through the IRA years.

You really ought to figure out what you're talking about before you start typing.
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And as I said, the guy I was replying to never came back to the thread.

It's actually not entirely irrelevant to the Lockerbie affair either, because one of the suspected reasons for the authorities being so keen to implicate Libya in that was Gadaffi's habit of selling Semtex and other armaments to the IRA, and this looked like a way to crack down on him.

Rolfe.
 
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Originally Posted by Rolfe
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You have no idea what it was like. You wouldn't listen to any pleas to close down Noraid and cut off the funding to the terrorists. That's right - in the late 20th century, Britain was under massive terrorist attack, funded from the USA.

And nobody wants to go around with a gun in their sock.

Then hey, you guys finally cop a hit, and you seem to think this has never happened to anyone else in the history of the world. You start pissing your pants in fear and advocating eveybody and their maiden aunt should be armed to the teeth. In the country that saw through the IRA years."

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Indeed. And let's be clear here. Saw through and defeated them
 
Did we really defeat them? Or was it just a no-score draw, followed by sensible negotiations to achieve a hopefully lasting settlement?

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But yes, it's quite clear that some - not even a majority - of our North American cousins here have no idea of the impact of domestic Irish terrorism for a period of some 30 years.
 
Rolfe said:
Seems to me Sikora aquiesced to the Libyan government's desire for support for the compassionate release, and now he's embarrassed, and pretty much saying who knows how long such a patient could live - in rare cases it has been a very long time.
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As skeptics, we know about Bell curves and rare recoveries and so on -- the point is, of course, that it's rare. 9 mos wouldn't be that out of place, but 10 years would be, or even 2.
 
I think Sikora was just shrugging with a sort of "all bets are off" remark. Word from Libya is that Megrahi is off all active treatment and on a morphine drip. You don't linger very long in that condition.

Rolfe.
 
Beerina said:
As skeptics, we know about Bell curves and rare recoveries and so on -- the point is, of course, that it's rare. 9 mos wouldn't be that out of place, but 10 years would be, or even 2.
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Well, chemotherapy for late, terminal prostate cancer would be rare in the UK. I don't know this, but I suspect it would have to be strictly privately funded treatment. Megrahi appears to have received chemotherapy in Libya which may have prolonged his life beyond what would be expected for a similar patient in the UK.

Or it might be pure chance, or minor shennanigans at the point of 'compassionate release'. Or major shennanigans to avoid the embarrassment of an appeal.

The duration of his survival really doesn't matter.
 
There's some debate, as some sources reported that he received a treatment which is in fact available on the NHS.

The Libyans wanted him home because they believe he was wrongly convicted.
The Westminster government wanted him back to sweeten the BP oil deal.
The Scottish government wanted him back because that was a good way to persuade him to abandon that embarrassing appeal that was likely to clear him and leave them with no conviction for the worst mass murder in Scottish history. And maybe they didn't fancy the international political fall-out if he died in a Scottish prison.

What's not to like? And since he probably didn't do it, and would have been freed on appeal, I can't see the reason for the outrage.

Rolfe.
 
why isn't Al-Megrahi dead yet?

Mass murderer Abdel Baset Al-Megrahi, who did just eight years of his life sentence after he was convicted of killing 270 people, was released last year on the dubious grounds that he had just three months to live. He returned to Libya to receive a hero's welcome, and now almost a year later he's living in luxury. What's even more maddening is that apparently, the man is still breathing.

It turns out the diagnosis was based on the opinion of just one doctor who now says that he could live as long as 10 years.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2010/07/why-isnt-dying-lockerbie-bombe.html
 
ravdin said:
It turns out the diagnosis was based on the opinion of just one doctor who now says that he could live as long as 10 years.
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And says he's quoted as saying the Libyan government paid him for the diagnoses?!
 
I don't know. You could always try reading the thread dedicated to the subject in this very forum.
 
You know, I'm getting tired of explaining the same points every time someone else starts a new thread on exactly the same subject.

Like, simultaneous stories have the man on his deathbed on morphine, and possibly going to live another ten (or even twenty) years. Who do you want to believe?

Karol Sikora is a bit of a hired gun in this department, however his was most cetainly not the only opinion taken into consideration. Predicting how long a terminally-ill patient will live is notoriously unreliable, and particularly if he is subsequently moved to massively better living conditions and given a new round of chemotherapy.

And Megrahi almost certainly didn't do it, and much of the point of letting him go back to Libya was to put a stop to the ongoing appeal which was widely believed to have been going to acquit him.

Rolfe.
 
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Rolfe said:
Karol Sikora is a bit of a hired gun in this department,
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And a big problem is he was hired by Libya to declare he had 3 months to live.

however his was most cetainly not the only opinion taken into consideration.
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It sure seemed to convince you last summer:
Rolfe said:
If anyone else is watching Newsnicht just now, you'll see that this is exactly what is going to happen.

And by the way, they just quoted Prof. Karol Sikora who is a hugely respected cancer specialist here, saying that he has very aggressive cancer which is no longer responding to treatment.

I'm going to discuss the coercion to drop the appeal in the CT thread, because that's where it belongs.

Rolfe.
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Now we know Sikora was hired by Libya to give a 3-month prognosis, and it was his prognosis that led to his release.

And, of course, Sikora dodged his complicity in this for nearly a year. Remember last November thaht he was shocked shocked shocked that he was still alive? Freaking scumbag.
 
ravdin said:
Mass murderer Abdel Baset Al-Megrahi, who did just eight years of his life sentence after he was convicted of killing 270 people, was released last year on the dubious grounds that he had just three months to live. He returned to Libya to receive a hero's welcome, and now almost a year later he's living in luxury. What's even more maddening is that apparently, the man is still breathing.

It turns out the diagnosis was based on the opinion of just one doctor who now says that he could live as long as 10 years.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2010/07/why-isnt-dying-lockerbie-bombe.html
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That is false and has already been shown to be false on this forum.
 
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