Merged Lockerbie bomber alive after 9 months

WildCat said:
And a big problem is he was hired by Libya to declare he had 3 months to live.

It sure seemed to convince you last summer:

Now we know Sikora was hired by Libya to give a 3-month prognosis, and it was his prognosis that led to his release.

And, of course, Sikora dodged his complicity in this for nearly a year. Remember last November thaht he was shocked shocked shocked that he was still alive? Freaking scumbag.
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Yes. You must have missed the post where I said that I'd reconsidered my opinion of Karol Sikora after seeing a bit more of his form in other cases. I was mistaken.

When you say "paid" or "hired", it's normal for someone in this position to be able to get their own medical opinion. It's normal for the medical opinion to be paid his normal consultancy fee. Sikora did what it seems he usually does - support his client's position if it can be reasonably supported. He's fallen foul of that one in other cases, too.

So what is your point, caller? There were a lot of people who wanted Megrahi to be released for a whole lot of different reasons, AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED TO DEATH IN THE OTHER THREAD, and Sikora's opinion was one of the least of the issues.

Rolfe.
 
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Rolfe said:
I think Sikora was just shrugging with a sort of "all bets are off" remark. Word from Libya is that Megrahi is off all active treatment and on a morphine drip. You don't linger very long in that condition.
Rolfe.
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41 hours for my mum. Probably the worst 41 hours of my life.
 
I've asked for the thread to be merged, but of course these things take time. It's funny how a thread can be as active as hell and a lot of people take no notice, then as soon as someone starts another one on EXACTLY the same topic, a lot of people suddenly leap in and start posting stuff that has been debunked to hell and gone right here, like yesterday.

Rolfe.
 
WildCat said:
And a big problem is he was hired by Libya to declare he had 3 months to live.


It sure seemed to convince you last summer:

Now we know Sikora was hired by Libya to give a 3-month prognosis, and it was his prognosis that led to his release.

And, of course, Sikora dodged his complicity in this for nearly a year. Remember last November thaht he was shocked shocked shocked that he was still alive? Freaking scumbag.
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you know? one quote in one newspaper?
 
Rolfe said:
When you say "paid" or "hired", it's normal for someone in this position to be able to get their own medical opinion. It's normal for the medical opinion to be paid his normal consultancy fee. Sikora did what it seems he usually does - support his client's position if it can be reasonably supported. He's fallen foul of that one in other cases, too.
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Because I don't recall much being made at the time about his being paid by Libya. It was framed as a concurring opinion by an acclaimed university doctor.

So what is your point, caller? There were a lot of people who wanted Megrahi to be released for a whole lot of different reasons, AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED TO DEATH IN THE OTHER THREAD, and Sikora's opinion was one of the least of the issues.

Rolfe.
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Indeed. It appears the squeeze was on from all sides to release him for political reasons, and the "medical compassion" angle was just the cover to fool the rubes.
 
WildCat said:
Has he denied the quote is true?

Even last November he admitted his clients were eager for a 3-month prognosis.
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i don't eve know if he knows that he was being quoted. i just wondered how quickly that this is a known fact. was not aware of that fact.
 
WildCat said:
Has he denied the quote is true?

Even last November he admitted his clients were eager for a 3-month prognosis.
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Others have dismissed that fact that the release was based on his prognosis only. The evidence for that has already been posted.
 
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i don't eve know if he knows that he was being quoted. i just wondered how quickly that this is a known fact. was not aware of that fact.
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Riiiiiiigggggghhhhhtttt...
 
Sigh, It seems that merging the threads has had no effect as regards prompting posters to actually read what has already been posted on the subject.

The people who actually had the authority to repease Megrahi were the Scottish government. They had no interest in a BP oil deal; on the contrary they would have preferred not to agree to the wishes of the Westminster government, who did want him released because of the oil deal.

However, the Scottish government wanted him released for a completely different reason. There was marked official reluctance for Megrahi's appeal to come to court. It had been delayed for about six years at the time of the release, but it was set to come back to court in November last year. Documents were sought by the defence that the government was determined would not be released. Even the parts of the appeal that weren't covered by this veil of secrecy were clearly strong enough that the appeal was likely to be successful. Which would leave everyone in the embarrassing position of having 270 unsolved murders on their hands.

Offering Megrahi the chance of compassionate release if only he would be so good as to abandon that appeal was an extremely attractive option. However, that meant having a medical prognosis of around a 3-month survival time. If the Libyan government hadn't paid Sikora enough, I just bet Kenny MacAskill would have been prepared to chip in.

I've explained this before. To the very people who are posting now.

Rolfe.
 
ravdin said:
Mass murderer Abdel Baset Al-Megrahi, who did just eight years of his life sentence after he was convicted of killing 270 people, was released last year on the dubious grounds that he had just three months to live. He returned to Libya to receive a hero's welcome, and now almost a year later he's living in luxury. What's even more maddening is that apparently, the man is still breathing.

It turns out the diagnosis was based on the opinion of just one doctor who now says that he could live as long as 10 years.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2010/07/why-isnt-dying-lockerbie-bombe.html
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Who did Megrahi murder?
 
WildCat said:
Indeed. It appears the squeeze was on from all sides to release him for political reasons, and the "medical compassion" angle was just the cover to fool the rubes.
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I don't know who you're calling a rube. The ramifications of all this weren't exactly top secret in Scotland.

The really furiously annoying part of it all was the withdrawal of the appeal. So many people had been pinning a lot of hope on that, as regards finding out what the hell did happen to that aeroplane, and why Megrahi was convicted of smuggling a bomb on board on evidence that wouldn't have got him a parking ticket under normal circumstances.

You've posted all this before. You seem completely incapable of comprehending that there were many different aspects to this complex case, aspects most people outside the USA seem to be able to get their heads round. They've been explained to you several times, but you just go away, then reappear every time someone starts a new thread, posting as if you'd never heard a word about it before.

Rolfe.
 
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Here's an interview in which the official spokesman of the US Families of Pan Am 103 explains why he's certain Megrahi blew up the plane. It's a pity it's Gorgeous George doing the interviewing, but I swear Paxman couldn't have done a better job.

Hint. Almost everything Duggan says about the case is factually flat wrong, and demonstrably so.



Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
I don't know who you're calling a rube. The ramifications of all this weren't exactly top secret in Scotland.

The really furiously annoying part of it all was the withdrawal of the appeal. So many people had been pinning a lot of hope on that, as regards finding out what the hell did happen to that aeroplane, and why Megrahi was convicted of smuggling a bomb on board on evidence that wouldn't have got him a parking ticket under normal circumstances.

You've posted all this before. You seem completely incapable of comprehending that there were many different aspects to this complex case, aspects most people outside the USA seem to be able to get their heads round. They've been explained to you several times, but you just go away, then reappear every time someone starts a new thread, posting as if you'd never heard a word about it before.

Rolfe.
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So the way to overturn what may be a wrongful conviction in Scotland, particularly a politically charged one, is to overstate the severity of an illness, declare the prisoner has 3 months to live, and then release him on compassionate grounds?

No, that doesn't sound bush league at all.
 
WildCat said:
So the way to overturn what may be a wrongful conviction in Scotland, particularly a politically charged one, is to overstate the severity of an illness, declare the prisoner has 3 months to live, and then release him on compassionate grounds?

No, that doesn't sound bush league at all.
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No, the way to avoid having to overturn the conviction, and indeed to avoid having that very very dodgy evidence looked at again, is to release the prisoner on compassionate grounds. All the while going on about how guilty he is.

That way we don't have to produce the confidential documents we've been fighting for several years not to have to reveal, and we don't have to have a bright light shone on the kangaroo court that happened at Camp Zeist, and most importantly we can go on pretending that crime was solved so we don't have to get back to looking for someone else.

If it was possible to give someone prostate cancer on purpose, I'd suspect Kenny MacAskill of doing just that.

I know this has been explained to you before. More than once.

Rolfe.
 
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Hmm this week's private eye mentions that briggs is still alive of course but the record appears to be held by Ernest Saunders at 19 years (in fairness he really did fake his symptoms).
 
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