Lisa Williams New show same Stichk

You can't reason with some people. I swear they act like we are taking away the very air they breath. I will say, it seems weird to come to a forum that is known for being full of skeptics.. why come to this forum? You are setting yourself up to fail and then get angry and start calling people names.

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hello can i just say i havent gone away just been too busy with my 6 week old baby and 4 year old son as its the school holidays here now. also the internet isnt as readily avaliable in this country. i have every intention of up loading my reading i just need you to bear with me as its going to take a while to do and my hands are a little full today with the kids. also lisa only ever knew my first name,no surname maiden or marital
 
That's great to hear Lucy. I can't speak for everyone else but I think all we're really trying to say here is that you should check out both sides, re-evaluate what you think happened, and see whether there might be explanations for what happened that don't require supernatural intervention.

We'd all be interested in analysing your reading if you're able to make it available. For many of us it's fascinating in its own right, whether or not you think there's anything real behind it. Let us know if you need help "ripping" the files from the CD you have and getting them uploaded somewhere/emailed to one of us.

If you're happy taking this on faith, nothing we say will convince you otherwise. But if you're willing to challenge your own perception on this, we can break down the reading into chunks and offer alternative explanations for what you feel are the "hits".
 
Excellent, lucy! I was trying to express hope, not condemnation. I certainly understand how life can take you away from forums like this. The baby and family have to come first.

So take care, take your time, and thanks for letting us know. I look forward to hearing more from you whenever you can get to it.
 
Lucy,

thanks for sticking around.

Some of us have been seeing this type of thing for a long time--30 years for me....we do get a bit jaded since we have yet to see someone pass a simple scientific test. However, the skeptic in us would believe psychic ability if someone would just take the JREF challenge and pass it.

We would look for good statistical evidence...since your experience is just a single event, it can never pass scientific muster with a skeptic. It is possible that something as simple as "caller ID" gave her what she needed and was able to give you a reading based on data mined quickly on the internet. Or is could have just been pure coincidence that she guessed correctly. If Lisa Williams is truly psychic, she should be able to know a lot more than what was said.

One great clue to cold reading...see how many questions the person asks and how many generic statements made...and compare that with the subject's feedback.

Please read some of Robert's stuff on this site...I think you will find it interesting.

http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/articles/


glenn
 
Minarvia said:
I think when she walks away with Randi's million dollars she can be said to have been proven genuine. I predict that she can't and won't.
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I had the misfortune of viewing my first Lisa Williams show a few weeks ago. As usual I thought maybe she's different, more convincing, innocent till proven guilty. :oldroll: Nope there was none of that. Her cold reading techniques were textbook, not even some of the best I've seen.

Maybe it's the English accent that does it for people. All I can think of when I see these shows is how much has been cut out and edited just to glorify their name.
 
lucyhicks1980 said:
it was the first thing she said. apart from hello take a seat! she turned the recording equipment on and came straight out with it. i didnt answer at all. i was very aware that some people are fakes so made sure i gave nothing away. its a shame that the fakes out there cloud the judgement of people. as soon as im able to upload the reading i will. its ready and waiting
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Lord knows it only took five seconds to find every single person that died in my family within the past twenty years and oddly enough their social security number. Try typing your last name and genealogy into Google. I gaurentee you will get the name off your dead father. Hell there is even a distinct possibility you could get a map right to his grave and house which is a little bit disconcerting. I wonder why most people don't try this for the curiosity factor. It's ridiculously easy and really quite cool.:) Found out I had another realaitive that served in the army during World War II thanks to the National Archives.
also lisa only ever knew my first name,no surname maiden or marital
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So it goes from five minutes to searching to maybe a day. Depending on big your town is.
 
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It's interesting to see in retrospect how sitters remember only selected parts of a reading. In another forum, a couple who had a reading with Lisa Williams went on and on about how she never asked questions or prodded them, that she just knew everything. However, I have their episode on my TiVo and have watched it many times, and in it Lisa does all the typical cold reading tricks. She does indeed ask them questions throughout the meeting rather than tell them things, even though this is not how they recall the reading. (By the way, the spirit she'd contacted didn't speak any English, yet she was able to "understand" him via the universal language of...spooks? ghosts? Whatever.)
 
lucyhicks1980 said:
i have every intention of up loading my reading i just need you to bear with me as its going to take a while to do
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If you have a digital file (mp3 for instance) you can upload it at:
http://www.zshare.net/

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That walking by the road thing was very weird. How DO THEY do that? Mere chance? Maybe she heard them talking before the reading or something.
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It was already established that the child wasn't a baby but died young and suddenly. How many types of tragic deaths are there for children? Traffic accidents, drowning, abduction.
All these things take place besides a road of some sort. If he wasn't hit by a car (which is the best bet), ponds are next to paths, and children that are abducted (by strangers) are usually plucked from the street. Even if the boy had died in a burning building, the road thing could have been bended into a metaphor, "path of life".
 
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Nothing.

Nothing. Absolutely nothing will ever convince any of you that any of this is real. This whole forum would collapse if it did. You are not here to discover truth, you are here to proclaim the truth you already KNOW to be.

Why do you guys mess with people who write on here because they are seeking something you already know by acting like you could be convinced? This will NEVER Happen. Why not just be honest and say "no matter what you say, I will always have an answer and that is, I am right... they are wrong. Always." Or, why not say, "Even if God Himself appeared to me and told me my deepest desires, it would be a cold reading."

Be careful who you think to be fools in this world, my friends.
 
reasonmusic said:
Nothing. Absolutely nothing will ever convince any of you that any of this is real. This whole forum would collapse if it did. You are not here to discover truth, you are here to proclaim the truth you already KNOW to be.

Why do you guys mess with people who write on here because they are seeking something you already know by acting like you could be convinced? This will NEVER Happen. Why not just be honest and say "no matter what you say, I will always have an answer and that is, I am right... they are wrong. Always." Or, why not say, "Even if God Himself appeared to me and told me my deepest desires, it would be a cold reading."

Be careful who you think to be fools in this world, my friends.
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How is being so hell-bent on convincing a bunch of skeptics that a psychic is legit any different than the same bunch of skeptics trying to explain to you why she isn't legit?





It isn't.

Go troll somewhere else.
 
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reasonmusic said:
Nothing. Absolutely nothing will ever convince any of you that any of this is real. This whole forum would collapse if it did. You are not here to discover truth, you are here to proclaim the truth you already KNOW to be.

Why do you guys mess with people who write on here because they are seeking something you already know by acting like you could be convinced? This will NEVER Happen. Why not just be honest and say "no matter what you say, I will always have an answer and that is, I am right... they are wrong. Always." Or, why not say, "Even if God Himself appeared to me and told me my deepest desires, it would be a cold reading."

Be careful who you think to be fools in this world, my friends.
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It has been pointed out to you many time before, if Lisa Williams were able pass the JREF MDC then I would have to question my views.

Just what would it take for you to question yours?
 
reasonmusic
LoL. fanatics, got to love 'em (on both sides, that is).

1: Many mediums were proven to be frauds.

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2: Non-mediums have emulated performances of mediums, genuine or not.

= it's up to mediums to proof their gift, simple as that.

Do the Randi Test or another scientific test and astonish (all of) the world (including me, I'm open :))

Just why don't they, one wonders :rolleyes:
 
Came to this thread via search.I saw a brief part of her show yesterday, contrived isn't the word!! Lisa went into a cookie shop for some chocolate and gave the shop assistant a reading about her dead Father. Like you do.
"Some chocolate chips please..do you believe in clairvoyants..?"
I did notice the audio changed between Lisa and shop assistant.Also you never saw the two of them in one shot.
Dire.
 
Hello hello! I know it's been a while... I'm completely new to all of this (and english isn't my mother tongue so I apologize in advance for language mistakes) I'm entering this thread because it is the reason I decided to join the JREF Forum... Actually, Lisa Williams is. I discovered her by accident on the net and was a little troubled. I'm definitely more of a skeptic than a believer but I'm also skeptic of a certain form of skepticism... hum... the word isn't quite right... it's called cynicism.

I agree, Lisa Williams seems to be a cold reader but some of her readings have troubled me, i.e. put a doubt in my mind. If it all really is cold reading, she's pretty darn good at it (contrary to what I've been reading amongst many skeptic critics). I've seen John Edward readings and James Van Praagh readings, and to me, (knowing just a little about cold reading) it is extremely evident that they are full of it. Lisa Williams seems different.

Any thoughts for a newcomer? :)
 
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