Let us have a fact check.

Without Rights said:
So I cannot argue apoint against "skeptics" or I automatically believe the whole story.
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Definately when you come out with comments such as

and did you notice the core never collapsed.
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Just the slightest bit of independant research would have provided you with the information that the 'core' of the windsor building was reinforced concrete.

Do you know what one method of fire proofing steelwork is?

Wanna guess?

Have a go..... go on..............


....is it sinking in yet?

no?

bloody hell.

ok, one method of protecting structural steelwork against fire is to surround it in concrete.

Amazing, huh?
 
Without Rights said:
If steel performs poorly in conditions of fire then alot of steel structures would collapse because of fire. Throughout history steel structures have performed just as designed regardless of size of the fire.

Your first part is a fact the second part is rhetoric. Where are the examples that show that steel connections are the "first to fail" in a fire.
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A lot of steel structures HAVE collapsed because of fire-That is a fact. And firefighters have died- well before 9/11 because of this. That's also a fact. You seem to be sadly lacking in knowledge of how steel buildings behave in fire conditions.

So here are two questions for you, Without Rights:
1. Have you read Francis Brannigan's "Building Construction For The Fire
Service"? (And if not, will you do so?)
2. Are you willing to discuss collapse of steel structures with Vince Dunn,
retired FDNY Division Commander who has written extensively on this
subject? (I'll even provide his toll free number for you: 800-231-3388.
Tell him an Assistant Chief with 42 years experience suggested you
call him.)

I've asked the same questions of other CTers and none have followed through for some reason. Are you willing to be the exception, Without Rights?
 
Without Rights said:
Every time I call my mom I say "Hi mom, it's Firstname Lastname" No I say My name and she knows. That is suspicious to me. I don't contend that it was voice technology but such technology does exist
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9905E5D91E3DF932A05754C0A9679C8B63
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I know you won't respond to this, just as you didn't respond to the passenger manifests that chipmunk linked. But here is what Mark Binghams mother had to say....

Mark Binghams Mom said:
Hoglan: I was staying with my brother Vaughan on the morning of September 11th, and, uh, the phone rang.

Bingham (reconstruction): Mom... Mom, this is Mark Bingham.

Hoglan: Once in a while he would say that. He would call up, and he was, he was a young businessman, and used to, used to introduce himself on phone as Mark Bingham, and he was trying to be, uh, strong, and level-headed, and, and strictly business. "Mom, this is Mark Bingham".
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Link.


Is she lying to cover up her son's death, Without Rights? Please respond(although I know you won't being the coward that you are).
 
Without Rights said:
Oh you really debunked me there, two people sound the same, I guess we must both be P'doh too, uh?
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You have no facts, you are acting like others with no facts.

Yes the steel in the Madrid building failed and fell in 2 hours or so. Sorry you have been lied to by the truth movement. They hope and depend on you being too dumb to find facts, and too dumb to know a fact when you find it.

We are hoping you start to show improvement and do not live up to the truth movement ideal follower, and be terminally stupid like most truthers.
 
apathoid said:
I know you won't respond to this, just as you didn't respond to the passenger manifests that chipmunk linked. But here is what Mark Binghams mother had to say....



Link.


Is she lying to cover up her son's death, Without Rights? Please respond(although I know you won't being the coward that you are).
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Difficult to claim that she was fooled by some sooper seekrit real time voice morphing technology when she makes a statement such as that.

Sooooooo, either she's in on it (after all, the 'truthers' were REAL interested in the date of the website registration....oh yes) or the call was real and she spoke to her song during his last minutes of life.

So, WR, is Mark Binghams mother part of the conspiracy?
 
Without Rights said:
Is this suppose to prove that large concrete section are visible at GZ and that lower Manhattan was not covered in pulverized concrete?
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Duh! It's obvious, man.

Some of the concrete in the joint turned into magic dust, man. Then some reindeers from upstate wandered into Ground Zero, man, and breathed the magic dust, man. Then they loaded the concrete blocks, man, onto their summer sled and hauled it like up to the North Pole and ya know, dropped it on the ice cap, man.

So you better get up to the North Pole, man, and get the concrete block evidence before the ice cap melts and like all the evidence, man, ends up at the bottom of the like Arctic Ocean, man.
 
Hello to this forum,

I would like everyone to know that I, with the help of the U.S. gov., placed hundreds of explosive devices in WTC during their construction. I have document and photo proof of this and I will be holding a news conf...
(knock at door)
BANG!!

They got me...aahhh.
 
That smaller section being a quarter of the building. That being 125,000 tons of steel and concrete suddenly becoming dynamic.
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Tower one was hit between floors 93-99/ WTC2 77-85, That means tower 1 had only 15% of the floors fall onto 85% of the floors. The higher the floor the thinner the steel. How many tons of solid intact structure is that. How did it become "dynamic" especially since it initially tilted.
That being that vast amounts start to fall on the floor BRACING. That simply cannot bear this dynamic load and simply collapse.
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And apparently it can not offer any resistence at all either.
I see also in your world nothing at all could explode inside burning building, strange world you live in
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Did you generate that all on your own? Since I said;
Whether these explosions were bombs is definently not fact, it is a theory. The fact is there were explosions that are unexplained and should be accounted for.
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It did more than not bear your "dynamic load" theory it offered so little resistence that it barely slowed it down, only a few seconds.
 
Without Rights said:
But something that shoud be looked in to at the request of the people. The FBI did give bombs to the terrorists. Since you have to pay to access the story I'll just post it;
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Did you even READ the article? Because that's almost exactly the opposite of what the article actually says.
 
Without Rights said:
brodski said:
More info is required to respond to this. The govt theory doesn't explain all observed data either.
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You still have not responded with exactly what observed data the government theory does not explain.


negativ said:
What's your source for the "majority of Americans" bit? (As a side note, would you correlate the results of that poll with the results of other, unrelated polls that show the "majority of Americans" unable to locate Saudi Arabia on a map?)
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i guess this logically means that Saudi Arabia doesn't exist? ;)

Without Rights said:
If I believe that then I believe that the people who designed it are incompetent and that is some of the most prominent engineers in the world.
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So you have to either believe that

a) the engineers who designed the WTC were incompetent,

or

b) Every engineer in the world who has not spoken out against the government's theory must be incompetent.

Which is it?

Without Rights said:
The only pictures of 911 burning is from 88-90 floors away?
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Yes, precisely. Can you provide any pictures that were taken from closer than 88-90 floors away? Do you suppose there were people trapped in the buildings who were snapping away with their Nikons?
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I know you won't respond to this, just as you didn't respond to the passenger manifests that chipmunk linked.
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In case you haven't noticed there is alot of people to respond too and I am doing my best to keep up with 10 people all on me at once so lighten up.

But here is what Mark Binghams mother had to say....
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Great, she got to make her son a hero. That comment came after scrutiny over what was said. Originally she didn't explain why he said his full name.


Is she lying to cover up her son's death, Without Rights? Please respond(although I know you won't being the coward that you are).
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No, she believes in the official story, she recieved lots of money and make her son a hero at the same time.

Coward? Oh that is what maturity is. Thanks for the lesson P****Y .

Refrain from using personal insults and/or personal attacks.
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