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Lee Harvey Oswald...

Malachi151

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Okay, lets just think about Oswald a second.

Things we know:

#1 He was in the military, was taught Russian in the military, he had security clearance, and monitored US flights over Russia.

#2 He was honorably discharged.

#3 Was was on the news passing out flyers on Marxism and talking to reporters right in the middle of an area where the FBI had offices.

#4 He went to Mexico City just prior to the assissniation, and at that time (something that we now know that we didn't then) the US was using the Mexican Embassy to inflitrate Cuba. The Mexican Embassy was a US spy front into Cuba.

There is more, but just to focus on that part first.

Has there EVER been a case of an assassin getting himself on the news and whatnot just prior to an assassination?

That alone is very strange.

Secondly, his military record obviously shows that he was involved in US military intelligence.

There is a lot more to him then just this, but IMO, he was NOT a real Marxist, he was setup as a fall guy by the people behind the assassination.
 
There is a lot more to him then just this, but IMO, he was NOT a real Marxist, he was setup as a fall guy by the people behind the assassination.
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So by "fall guy," do you mean he was hired for the job, shot Kennedy, and then captured by the DPD with assistance of the people behind the assassination, or do you mean he didn't fire the rifle and was completely framed?
 
If there was any cover up or conspiracy involving Oswald, it was that perhaps the government knew what a dangerous flake Oswald was and did nothing about it.

I think the quote from the top of the home page of the McAdams site is appropriate here:

"He didn't even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights . . . . It's — it had to be some silly little Communist." — Jackie Kennedy, on hearing that a leftist had been arrested for her husband's murder.
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"No True Scotsman" was obviously a poor choice for the name of that particular fallacy.

I propose we change it to "No True Marxist"
 
Malachi151 said:
There is a lot more to him then just this, but IMO, he was NOT a real Marxist, he was setup as a fall guy by the people behind the assassination.
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I think you should read more about Oswald befor you start making such assumptions. Case Closed by Posner gives a very detailed accoount of Oswald's life. He was a highly disturbed individual.

Incidentaly who are 'the people behind the assasination'?

Maybe you should reply to this in the 'Is anyone watching..' thread. It might get very confuding to discuss teh assassination issues across twio threads here. There is another thread on this subject in the Genral paranormal forum too.
 
Malachi151 said:
Okay, lets just think about Oswald a second.

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Has there EVER been a case of an assassin getting himself on the news and whatnot just prior to an assassination?

That alone is very strange.

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I have a feeling that there will be quite a bit of good refutations about the Oswald Conspiracy ideas, therefore I would like to bring a detail to attention about this one bit.

John Wilkes Boothe was a very, very well known actor before he shot President Lincoln.
 
Well, I'm having second thought about Oswald. In addition to the info posted, I saw an interview with him when he was talking to the news about Marxism. What he said seemed very significant to me.

He was asked if he was a Communist, and he said no, that he was a Marxist, but not a Communist.

Now, if he was really trying to establish himself as a "fake Marxist" in order to infiltrate some organization, as has been suggested, then why wouldn't he have been claming to be a Communist?

In other words, his statement seemed to "rational" to be a fake statement.

Also, the attempted shooting of that other guy is an obvious mark against his as "just a fake".

Could there still be more to this then just a "lone nutt"? Yes, definately, but I don't buy the "phoney Marxist" bit that some have been promoting. IMO, if he was a "phoney Marxist", then he would have just said he was a Communist, only a "real Marxist" would distinguish the difference between the two.
 
Malachi151 said:
Okay, lets just think about Oswald a second.

Things we know:

#1 He was in the military, was taught Russian in the military, he had security clearance, and monitored US flights over Russia.

Has there EVER been a case of an assassin getting himself on the news and whatnot just prior to an assassination?

Secondly, his military record obviously shows that he was involved in US military intelligence.
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There is a bit more to him. He taught himself to speak and read russian, that is why he was not very good at it.

John Wilkes Booth was a popular actor when he shot and killed Lincoln. A bit in the past though.

Other than the fact that just about eveyone who is in the military can be said to be involved in military intelligence, what about Oswald makes you think he was? He only had a confidential clearance.

Ranb
 
Malachi151 said:
Okay, lets just think about Oswald a second.

Things we know:

#1 He was in the military, was taught Russian in the military, he had security clearance, and monitored US flights over Russia.

#2 He was honorably discharged.

#3 Was was on the news passing out flyers on Marxism and talking to reporters right in the middle of an area where the FBI had offices.

#4 He went to Mexico City just prior to the assissniation, and at that time (something that we now know that we didn't then) the US was using the Mexican Embassy to inflitrate Cuba. The Mexican Embassy was a US spy front into Cuba.

There is more, but just to focus on that part first.

Has there EVER been a case of an assassin getting himself on the news and whatnot just prior to an assassination?

That alone is very strange.

Secondly, his military record obviously shows that he was involved in US military intelligence.

There is a lot more to him then just this, but IMO, he was NOT a real Marxist, he was setup as a fall guy by the people behind the assassination.
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This is merely the same old same old from the "true believers" in communism.

Everytime one of these communist worker's paradises are shown to be a hellhole (i.e. North Korea).
The "true believer" states it doesn't matter because they were "not truly communist."

It is strange that EVERY place that calls itself communist always turns out to be "not truly communist."

Same thing going on here...

LHO does something bad. Well in Malachi's mind he can't be a "true communist" because communists don't do bad things.

Notice the similarities between Communism and fundamentalist religion. Everytime a terrorist bombs an abortion clinic or a bus of people. The religious say, "he wasn't a true Xian" or "he wasn't a true Muslim."

Let's face it Communism and religion are basically on the same level.
Nobody has seen God and nobody has seen "true Communism."
 
Umm.. in case you guys missed it, before your silly rants, I already came back and said that I was chaning my opinion on Oswald. Thanks for the wasted breath :p
 
Re: Re: Lee Harvey Oswald...

Originally posted by RonSceptic [/i]


>>I think you should read more about Oswald befor you start making such assumptions. Case Closed by Posner gives a very detailed accoount of Oswald's life. He was a highly disturbed individual.

So disturbed, that the Navy gave him a secruity clearance to work on radar at the top secrect Atsugi base tracking U2s. So disturbed that they set him up to "defect" and marry the sole relative of a top Soviet Intelligence official. So disturbed that he learned Russian so well (some where, some how) that he passed for a Russian with no traceable accent. So distrubed that he worked for as an under cover agent informant for the FBI and the CIA. LHO was harldy the "lone nut" the media painted him, but a highly intelligent man who fancied himself as a patriot, working for American Intelligence on several levels, a man with family and friends who loved his children and loved his country and his president.

-- Rouser
 
Originally posted by Brown [/i]
For what it's worth, RL=http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/WorldNewsTonight/JFK_Robert_Oswald-1.html]his brother thinks he did it.[/URL] [/B]


It's not worth very much. Robert just knows Lee did it and did it alone because he looked in his eyes. That's it. Those are his facts. But the likes of ABC dare not bring any of Oswald's other family before the camera. Marina, once his chief prosecutorial witness, now believes her husband was in fact a government agent, and played for a patsy, just as he said. Ditto his mother, Marguerite.


-- Rouser
 
Re: Re: Re: Lee Harvey Oswald...

Rouser2 said:
Originally posted by RonSceptic [/i]


>>I think you should read more about Oswald befor you start making such assumptions. Case Closed by Posner gives a very detailed accoount of Oswald's life. He was a highly disturbed individual.

So disturbed, that the Navy gave him a secruity clearance to work on radar at the top secrect Atsugi base tracking U2s.
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Atsugi was like any other military base: It had some secret bits, one of them was the U2. There is not evidence beyond vapid speculation that Oswald was 'tracking U2s'. The only connection is from one bobo Luitenant who decided to be nice and silent until the 70's.

So disturbed that they set him up to "defect" and marry the sole relative of a top Soviet Intelligence official.
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Laughable. Marina's father was hardly a equivelant of a top Soviet official. ANd of course this assumes a "they" in control which is Rouser's fantasy.

So disturbed that he learned Russian so well (some where, some how) that he passed for a Russian with no traceable accent.
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Again, nonsense. Contradicted by Marina's testimony as well as others he knew in the Soveit Union.

So distrubed that he worked for as an under cover agent informant for the FBI and the CIA. Some disburbed infividual.
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Fantasy from Rouser.
 
Malachi151 said:

Has there EVER been a case of an assassin getting himself on the news and whatnot just prior to an assassination?

That alone is very strange.
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Let's see. First, how many assassins have we had? How many lived in radio and televison man-on-the-street interview period?

Second, that interview with Oswald never made it on the air. At least not until after he shot JFK and it was of human interest.

Third, WTF does it have to do with whether or not Oswald shot JFK?
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Lee Harvey Oswald...

Originally posted by kookbreaker [/i]

>>Atsugi was like any other military base: It had some secret bits, one of them was the U2. There is not evidence beyond vapid speculation that Oswald was 'tracking U2s'. The only connection is from one bobo Luitenant who decided to be nice and silent until the 70's.


That the U2's came of Atsugi where Oswald worked radar is no speculation. Nor the fact that the military found it necessary to change all their codes when he attempted to "defect".

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So disturbed that they set him up to "defect" and marry the sole relative of a top Soviet Intelligence official.

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>>Laughable. Marina's father was hardly a equivelant of a top Soviet official. ANd of course this assumes a "they" in control which is Rouser's fantasy.

The fantasy is your own. Marina had no father.


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So disturbed that he learned Russian so well (some where, some how) that he passed for a Russian with no traceable accent.

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>>Again, nonsense. Contradicted by Marina's testimony as well as others he knew in the Soveit Union.

Supported by Marina's own documented statements that she at first thought he was Russian he spoke the language so well.


-- Rouser
 
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