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Originally posted by corplinx [/i]

>>Yes, his head could have fallen forward or back but the location of the bullet fragments is the only evidence you need to prove a rear shooter. This is why some people try their best to discredit that evidence. If you passed out sketches of the head wound and the location of the fragments to a forensics class who didn't know it was Kennedy, you will get a resounding answer of a shot from the rear.

What "Sketches". Here is a alleged JFK x-ray. Where are the fragments? And what does it prove? What forensics class are you talking about? Who you crappin????


-- Rouser
 
Rouser2 said:
What pictures? You haven't shown nor cited any.
Sorry - when I wrote 'more' pictures, I ment more than the one you posted already, showing the back of the head intact. More of those cannot possibly do any good - since they are faked. Correct?

>>Anyway, shortly after this accession, the 3 prosectors,
the radiologist who took the x-rays, and the medical
photographer who took the photos went to the Archives to
review the material. They agreed unanimously that the
photos and x-rays turned over by the Kennedys accurately
depicted JKF's wounds and were

Says who? And just what pictures? Of what? Obviously, you haven't a clue.
I think it is clear to you that we're talking about the pictures from the autopsy. Do you claim that the above didn't happen?

Are you familiar with the story below?

The HFP was able to identify all the people who were present in the autopsy room on the night of 11/22 - 11/23/63. The HFP determined that the following people were in the room:

Dr. James Humes, Dr. J. Thornton Boswell, Dr. Pierre Finck (the prosectors), Admiral Calvin Galloway, Admiral George Burkley, M.D. (JFK's personal physician), Captain James Stover, John Stringer (medical photographer), Dr. James Ebersole (the radiologist who took the x-rays), Jan Rudnicki, Paul O'Conner, Jerrol Custer, James Jenkins, Edward Reed, James Metzler, Dr. David Osborne, Gen. Godfrey McHugh, Dr. Gregory Cross, General Phillip Wehle, Chester Boyers, Dr. George Bakeman, Secret Service Agents Roy Kellerman, Bill Greer, and John O'Leary, Richard Lipsey, Samual Bird, Floyd Riebe, and FBI agents Francis O'Neill and James Sibert. In addition, 4 employees of Gawler's Funeral Home were present following the autopsy: John Van Haeson, Edwin Stoble, Thomas Robinson, and "Mr. Hagen."

The HFP set out to interview all of these people. I count 28, not including the Gawler's employees. Dr. George Bakeman could not be located. That leaves 27. The HFP claimed to have interviewed 26 of the people who were in the autopsy room and that that number represents all but one of those present. In either case, the HFP interviewed 26 people and concluded: "In disagreement with the observations of the Parkland doctors [as to the location of the head wound - jg] are the 26 people present at the autopsy. All of those interviewed who attended the autopsy corroborated the general location of the wounds as depicted in the photographs; none had differing accounts." (7HSCA37)
If you are, do you think that all these people are involved in the conspiracy, did they actually see another man's head, or do you have another explanation? :p
 
Originally posted by Bjorn [/i]


Originally posted by Rouser2
What pictures? You haven't shown nor cited any.
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>>Sorry - when I wrote 'more' pictures, I ment more than the one you posted already, showing the back of the head intact. More of those cannot possibly do any good - since they are faked. Correct?

You haven't cited single picture. Moreover, the one I posted is, as I have said, an alleged copy of an alleged autopsy photo. This picture could not be used in a court of law since in cannot be authenticated. Nonetheless, it is alleged to be a copy of the official autopsy photos, which only a few people have actually seen. Any photo which shows the back of JFK's head in tact is in direct conflict with all of the initial statements of the Parkland doctors. Even your lifted HFP quoted via 3rd parties of 3rd parties admits that the HFP conclusion is in direct conflict with the initial statements of the Parkland doctors. That doesn't necessarily mean that all 26 people are lying and therefore involved in a conspiracy or cover up. What it clearly means, is that the author of the HFP statement mis-represented the truth. In fact, many of those listed persons have rejected the HFP conclusions as to the veracity of the autopsy photos they saw. But you have no hope of getting your facts straight if your only source of information is the McAdams CyberSpace Garbage Dump.

-- Rouser
 
Originally posted by Bjorn [/i]

quote:
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The HFP was able to identify all the people who were present in the autopsy room on the night of 11/22 - 11/23/63. The HFP determined that the following people were in the room:

Dr. James Humes, Dr. J. Thornton Boswell, Dr. Pierre Finck (the prosectors), Admiral Calvin Galloway, Admiral George Burkley, M.D. (JFK's personal physician), Captain James Stover, John Stringer (medical photographer), Dr. James Ebersole (the radiologist who took the x-rays), Jan Rudnicki, Paul O'Conner, Jerrol Custer, James Jenkins, Edward Reed, James Metzler, Dr. David Osborne, Gen. Godfrey McHugh, Dr. Gregory Cross, General Phillip Wehle, Chester Boyers, Dr. George Bakeman, Secret Service Agents Roy Kellerman, Bill Greer, and John O'Leary, Richard Lipsey, Samual Bird, Floyd Riebe, and FBI agents Francis O'Neill and James Sibert. In addition, 4 employees of Gawler's Funeral Home were present following the autopsy: John Van Haeson, Edwin Stoble, Thomas Robinson, and "Mr. Hagen."

The HFP set out to interview all of these people. I count 28, not including the Gawler's employees. Dr. George Bakeman could not be located. That leaves 27. The HFP claimed to have interviewed 26 of the people who were in the autopsy room and that that number represents all but one of those present. In either case, the HFP interviewed 26 people and concluded: "In disagreement with the observations of the Parkland doctors [as to the location of the head wound - jg] are the 26 people present at the autopsy. All of those interviewed who attended the autopsy corroborated the general location of the wounds as depicted in the photographs; none had differing accounts." (7HSCA37)

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So who is lying?

Floyd Riebe, one of the two autopsy photographers, stated in a filmed interview for KRON-TV in 1988 that the autopsy x-rays and photos had been doctored in some way, and that the photos did not show the wounds that he saw on the night of the autopsy.

Dr. John Ebersole, Bethesda Hospital radiologist. In an extensive interview with his hometown newspaper in 1978, Dr. Ebersole said, "When the body was removed from the casket there was a very obvious horrible gaping wound in the back of the head" (Lifton 543).Dr. Ebersole said the photos of the back of the head did NOT show the large defect as he recalled it (Livingstone, KILLING KENNEDY, 41-42). When shown one of the back-of-the-head photographs, Dr. Ebersole told HSCA investigators that his recollection was that the large defect was in the occipital region, and that he "certainly" could NOT state that the image seen in the photo was "the way it [the back of the head] looked" (Livingstone, KILLING KENNEDY, 41).

Bethesda x-ray technician Jerrol Custer has stated that on November 23, the day after the autopsy, he was instructed by his superiors to tape bullet fragments to pieces of skull and then to x-ray them. At the time, Custer was told these x-rays were for a "bust" of JFK's head, but no such "bust" has ever surfaced. Custer suspects the radiographs he was ordered to take on November 23 were used to make the autopsy x-rays (Livingstone, HIGH TREASON 2, 219, 554).


"Perhaps the above evidence explains why Saundra Kay Spencer, who processed the autopsy photos that Secret Service Agent James Fox brought from the autopsy, told the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) that she did NOT process any of the autopsy photos now in evidence, i.e., that the autopsy photos that she processed were different from the autopsy pictures now in evidence. She also told the ARRB she did not process any black and white photos, only negatives and color positives. This suggests the black and white autopsy photos were processed elsewhere, and that there were TWO sets of autopsy photos" http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/id127.htm


One more thing. Each and every one of the initial statements of the doctors, nurses and attendents at Parkland (none of which I have as yet posted) can be documented and sourced, while none of the alleged interviews of the above people present at Bethesda can be documented and sourced. All you have is the summary assertions of an anonymous un-named HFP staffer -- assertions which have been challenged by several of the names listed in the report. But the McAdams garbage dump (which you are too ashamed to cite with an appropriate link) equates assertions and conclusions from pompous authorities on high as facts and evidence. But they are not.

-- Rouser
 
Case Closed!!!

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Wolverine said:
Case Closed!!!

Obviously a faked photo, we have evidence shown last night of Oswald being beaten to death by Homer Simpson and a saved Abraham Lincoln.
 

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