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Led Zeppelin backwards messages?

The idea that a blues-rock band, which clearly modified their lyrics, sound and image to reflect the "peace-and-love" hippie movement (QV "Led Zeppelin IV"), simultaneously concocted lyrics which would produce satanic messages when sung or played backwards is laughably silly.

It's true that guitarist/band-leader Jimmy Page was "into" witchcraft, the occult and the works of "Satanists" Anton LaVey and Aleister Crowley, and that those studies led him to create "magical" iconography and a marketable "mystic" persona for the band. But he did not write the lyrics of the songs; Robert Plant, the lead singer was the band's lyricist.

Plant in his youth was primarily a bluesman who sang first and foremost about women -- losing them and anguishing over them. As the band progressed musically and lyrically, folk motifs (such as "Gallows Pole") legendary material ("The Immigrant Song") and songs of battle and the misery of war ("No Quarter", "The Battle of Evermore") began to influence Plant's lyrics more and more. Several of the songs on "IV" are about the hippie experience or consist of poetic descriptions of their daily lives as freewheeling musicians. Mystical and spiritual imagery ("Misty Mountain Hop") also began to appear in certain lines and phrases in various songs, but none of it is even vaguely satanic or demonic.

The supposedly "satanic-message" containing song on "IV", "Stairway to Heaven", represents something of an amalgamation of all these motifs; it's about a hippie-ish woman who is seeking something spiritual or mystical, and which may be linked metaphorically to drug usage prevalent in the culture at the time. It's also full of pagan nature imagery ("the forests will echo with laughter") that has nothing whatever to do with satanic worship or ritual.

That Plant and/or Page could have developed over a hundred songs over the course of the band's career,, each with thousands of individual lyrical components that mean something entirely different when played backwards, is the height of stupidity and blind, biased bigotry.

Also, Led Zep broke up in 1980 after drummer John Bonham died. It may be time for Satan-obsessed, anti-good time, rock-hating pastors to move on to a new target.
 
My all-time personal favorite experience of this kind of thing was when the wife of a Baptist ministry student told me in all earnestness that if you played Jimi Hendrix records backwards they told you to use drugs.
If you play some Jimi Hendrix records backwards you will hear how he actually recorded some of the guitar parts. :) Cool effect.
 
So, if you play backwards a country album, do you get back your wife, your truck , your wife, and you become suddenly sober? :D
 
Lyrics to Houses of the Holy:

Let me take you to the movies. Can I take you to the show
Let me be yours ever truly. Can I make your garden grow

From the houses of the holy, we can watch the white doves go
From the door comes Satan's daughter, and it only goes to show. You know.

There's an angel on my shoulder, In my hand a sword of gold
Let me wander in your garden. And the seeds of love I'll sow. You know.

So the world is spinning faster. Are you dizzy when you're stoned
Let the music be your master. Will you heed the master's call Oh... Satan and man.
Said there ain't no use in crying. Cause it will only, only drive you mad
Does it hurt to hear them lying? Was this the only world you had? Oh-oh

So let me take you, take you to the movie. Can I take you, baby, to the show.
Why don't you let me be yours ever truly. Can I make your garden grow
You know.

More lyrics: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/l/led+zeppelin/#share

Highlighting mine. No backmasking needed.

Ah, baloney. There is no "Satan and man" lyric in there unless you auditorily squint at it with conformation-bias headphone speakers on. The preceding lyric is, "Let the music be your master"... are we now drawing a direct link between "music" and "Satan"? -- because if so, every song ever played or recorded, including Christian hymns, Bach's various glorifications of Christ, etc. could said to be "satanic", insofar as it is music.
 
Ah, baloney. There is no "Satan and man" lyric in there unless you auditorily squint at it with conformation-bias headphone speakers on. The preceding lyric is, "Let the music be your master"... are we now drawing a direct link between "music" and "Satan"? -- because if so, every song ever played or recorded, including Christian hymns, Bach's various glorifications of Christ, etc. could said to be "satanic", insofar as it is music.

Uhm, do you not see my avatar? Do you think I would believe this?
By pure coincidence (<churchlady>Or is it SATAN?</churchlady>) I was reading Classic Rock Magazine this morning (an UK magazine) which ran an article about the 35th anniversary of Physical Graffiti. They mentioned this part.

I arrive at work, open the JREF Forum and see this Thread. So a quick Google for the lyrics and some cut and paste. I am not (yet) familiar enough with Led Zep to know the lyrics by heart.

Some more lyric sites with the same:
http://www.angelfire.com/nm/zeppelin/h.html
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/ledzeppelin/housesoftheholy.html
http://lyrics.rockmagic.net/lyrics/led_zeppelin/physical_graffiti_1975.html#s04
 
Uhm, do you not see my avatar? Do you think I would believe this?
By pure coincidence (<churchlady>Or is it SATAN?</churchlady>) I was reading Classic Rock Magazine this morning (an UK magazine) which ran an article about the 35th anniversary of Physical Graffiti. They mentioned this part.

I arrive at work, open the JREF Forum and see this Thread. So a quick Google for the lyrics and some cut and paste. I am not (yet) familiar enough with Led Zep to know the lyrics by heart.

Some more lyric sites with the same:
http://www.angelfire.com/nm/zeppelin/h.html
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/ledzeppelin/housesoftheholy.html
http://lyrics.rockmagic.net/lyrics/led_zeppelin/physical_graffiti_1975.html#s04

For the record, I was responding to the idea that the lyrics of that song ("Houses of the Holy") support some kind of satanic agenda, not that you personally believe that idea. I called "baloney" on a suggested connection between the "Satan and man" lyric and the "music be your master" lyric that went before it, not on your personal worldview or beliefs.

The song, I must concede, is in part about a woman who is identified as "Satan's daughter"; see also the song on Zeppelin I which posits that "the soul of a woman was created below" ("Dazed and Confused"). Thus, I may have been hasty in my declaration that "there is no 'Satan and man' lyric" in the song "Houses of the Holy". There might very well be (though it sounds to my ear like typically indistinguishable Plant-y moaning and sighing).

If there is such a lyric, however, it does not support a satanic agenda but rather expounds the narrative of the song, which is in part about a woman identified as "Satan's daughter" coming out of the door of the "House(s) of the Holy", presumably in an effort to distract the song's narrator from his courtship of another woman in whose "garden" he would like to wander.
 
I particularly like when they say "If we were going to put subliminal messages in, it'd be something like Buy More Judas Priest Records".

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Great album.

I got into backmasking quite a bit as a teen, just for fun. I did it with Judas Priest. I didn't have much success but Halford can sound REALLY eerie when played in reverse, especially the Stained Class album.

I found lots and lots of various pledges to Satan in Ozzy-era Black Sabbath, but all very vague and some imagination was required. You can find just about anything if you really want to.
 
For the record, I was responding to the idea that the lyrics of that song ("Houses of the Holy") support some kind of satanic agenda, not that you personally believe that idea. I called "baloney" on a suggested connection between the "Satan and man" lyric and the "music be your master" lyric that went before it, not on your personal worldview or beliefs.

That's not what you said. You said:

Ah, baloney. There is no "Satan and man" lyric in there unless you auditorily squint at it with conformation-bias headphone speakers on.

That clearly means - you did not hear the words "Satan and man" in that song. "Lyric" means "word". You stated those words were not in the song. You were wrong and instead of admitting it, you wrote the baloney above.
 
I might be wrong, but all this hidden message stuff ,I think,got started with the whole "Paul is Dead" hoax, where if you played Certain Beatles songs backwards you got messages saying Paul was killed.
 
For the record, I was responding to the idea that the lyrics of that song ("Houses of the Holy") support some kind of satanic agenda, not that you personally believe that idea. I called "baloney" on a suggested connection between the "Satan and man" lyric and the "music be your master" lyric that went before it, not on your personal worldview or beliefs.

The song, I must concede, is in part about a woman who is identified as "Satan's daughter"; see also the song on Zeppelin I which posits that "the soul of a woman was created below" ("Dazed and Confused"). Thus, I may have been hasty in my declaration that "there is no 'Satan and man' lyric" in the song "Houses of the Holy". There might very well be (though it sounds to my ear like typically indistinguishable Plant-y moaning and sighing).

If there is such a lyric, however, it does not support a satanic agenda but rather expounds the narrative of the song, which is in part about a woman identified as "Satan's daughter" coming out of the door of the "House(s) of the Holy", presumably in an effort to distract the song's narrator from his courtship of another woman in whose "garden" he would like to wander.

OK, got you. And agree of course with the meaning. As I said, it as a pure coincidence.
 
My all-time personal favorite experience of this kind of thing was when the wife of a Baptist ministry student told me in all earnestness that if you played Jimi Hendrix records backwards they told you to use drugs.

No, that's if you play them forwards!
 
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Great album.

I got into backmasking quite a bit as a teen, just for fun. I did it with Judas Priest. I didn't have much success but Halford can sound REALLY eerie when played in reverse, especially the Stained Class album.

I found lots and lots of various pledges to Satan in Ozzy-era Black Sabbath, but all very vague and some imagination was required. You can find just about anything if you really want to.

And if you listen to their songs properly, especially on the first 3 albums, there's a lot of references to Satan anyway.

Lord of This World:

N.I.B:

After Forever:


Ironically most of them are anti-satan messages, not the devil worship the conservatives would have us believe.
 
My all-time personal favorite experience of this kind of thing was when the wife of a Baptist ministry student told me in all earnestness that if you played Jimi Hendrix records backwards they told you to use drugs.

So, I'm guessing she never listened to Jimi played forwards.

(Funny, back in the days of vinyl, if we were hanging around the house with enough free time and the inclination to play Hendrix backwards, we were usually already stoned.) :D
 
I might be wrong, but all this hidden message stuff ,I think,got started with the whole "Paul is Dead" hoax, where if you played Certain Beatles songs backwards you got messages saying Paul was killed.

No backwards stuff.On the fade out of Strawberry Fields Forever John Lennon's slowed-down voice apparently says "I buried Paul." What Lennon actually said was "Cranberry sauce." Ozzie Osbourne did put a backwards message on one of his albums which said "Your mother sells whelks in Hull.""
 
There is, of course, a difference between a reversed recording, and a recording that supposedly sounds like something else when played in reverse. When a reversed clip is inserted into a song (such as the stuff the Beatles and Hendrix did), the effect is usually pretty obvious. To my ear, those things stick out like a sore thumb and just seem more like a novelty (that quickly became very trite) than any kind of "hidden" or "subliminal" message.

However, what those Christian nutjobs were actually trying to claim was that rock artists were deliberately and painstakingly constructing sounds and word phrasings that when played backwards, actually yielded perfectly discernible English-language statements (on the order of "Number 9" becoming "Turn me on, dead man" which of course was accidental). So you have to think of the message you want to convey, then try to come up with the phrases that, when reversed phonetically, result in your intended message (in other words--to use Caution's example--knowing ahead of time that if you wanted your listeners to hear the phrase "I gobble swordfish" that would have to sing the word "Czechoslovakia"). That would be a serious challenge for even the most gifted linguist and recording engineer, and would take months of tedious work. I dare say that these alarmists were ascribing a level skill and motivation that's far beyond that of most metal rockers.
 
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