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RandFan said:
Keep in mind that Janadele is a Mormon and I'm an atheist (the church counts me a Mormon as my name is still in their records).

And to be fair, though I follow blogs and news on Mormonism and though I get lots of information from friends and family, I've not been active for years. I'm sure Janadele would prefer to speak for herself. But I'm happy to offer an opinion. :)

ETA: I stopped attending church almost two decades ago. Wow.
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Sure, I'm just waiting for her to weigh in on anything in this thread outside of this lone remark:

Jason, this thread has evolved from another thread in which off topic questions re LDS where being asked. Hence the generality of the title.
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So far it seems I'm talking to you instead. And the OP is still really, uh, whatever man.
 
hud said:
Sure, I'm just waiting for her to weigh in on anything in this thread outside of this lone remark:

So far it seems I'm talking to you instead. And the OP is still really, uh, whatever man.
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Understood. Ask away and I'll respond as best I can. I graduated seminary (the Mormon version) and I have spent a lifetime studying Mormonism.
 
Sorry Halley, I do not have a link / reference at present, I will let you know when I find one.
Gender is an eternal characteristic. There is no negotiation on the gender of our Spirit. To abide by Eternal Law celibacy is the only option if for some genuine reason the gender of the Spirit is unknown.
halleyscomet said:
...did you ever find a source on an official LDS stance on if Hermaphrodites can marry? You still haven't answered that one...
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Janadele said:
Sorry Halley, I do not have a link / reference at present, I will let you know when I find one.
Gender is an eternal characteristic. There is no negotiation on the gender of our Spirit. To abide by Eternal Law celibacy is the only option if for some genuine reason the gender of the Spirit is unknown.
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So how do I check my spirits gender, is it obvious or is does it require a study of the spirits plumage like a bird?

Will my spirit object to me have a grab around just to make sure?

and of course, most importantly, Evidence a spirit even exists.
 
Rand, the previous post to which you refer is the answer.
Janadele said:
Gender is an eternal characteristic. There is no negotiation on the gender of our Spirit. To abide by Eternal Law celibacy is the only option if for some genuine reason the gender of the Spirit is unknown.
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Janadele said:
Rand, the previous post to which you refer is the answer.
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It's fairly obvious that your "answer" didn't work. This can be for several reasons--for example, your answer may not actually be an answer, it may not be a sufficient answer, or it may be that the person you're talking to doesn't understand your answer. Repeating it will not work.

You also haven't addressed any of the issues I brought up.
 
halleyscomet said:
The core point I was trying to make is that God gives considerable latitude on what you can and cannot do under duress, meaning the range of things for which you would be punished by God is far narrower that the strict letter of the law would suggest. This means the decision of if one should obey a given law in a given circumstance is not just a question of "Will I be punished?" but one of "Is it moral to break this law at this time?"
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I believe this is a matter of interpretation. There are too many scriptures dealing in absolutes (as given by an absolute authority who can see ahead in time and space), again depending on interpretation
 
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RandFan said:
To begin with, this is contradicted by biological evidence. There is a large body of work to support the idea that even if we have a spirit, we as individuals have contradictory perceptions.

Split brain with one half atheist and one half theist

What gender is the spirit of a hermaphrodite or a person with Klinefelter syndrome?
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When I first attended University my major was Psychology. Later I changed it to Computer Sci but not before I had taken a number of courses in psychology and sociology.

For the last 10 years I have been studying mind science including neuroscience, psychology, philosophy of mind and behavior. IMO:

  • Nothing in mind science makes sense in light of an ever lasting soul (dualism).
  • Nothing in mind science makes sense except in the Light of Evolution.
Gender perceptions and gender disorders can be explained by evolutionary biology. You won't find anything in the Bible, Book of Mormon or any religious text that will enlighten.
 
Janadele said:
Rand, the previous post to which you refer is the answer.
Gender is an eternal characteristic. There is no negotiation on the gender of our Spirit. To abide by Eternal Law celibacy is the only option if for some genuine reason the gender of the Spirit is unknown.
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That explains absolutely nothing (see post #50)
 
Janadele said:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also known as LDS /Mormon, is a Christian denomination, but is neither Protestant nor Catholic... it is the restored Church of Jesus Christ, with eternal doctrines and teachings dating back to the days of Adam, and to our pre mortal existence.
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I'm from Merthyr Tydfil. Does the name mean anything to you?
 
Rand, That is the answer, whether anyone likes it or not. That is the truth. Further elaboration could only be speculation.

Our Heavenly Father does not reveal all to us, and to those who reject what He has revealed, even less is given.
 
Janadele said:
Our Heavenly Father does not reveal all to us, and to those who reject what He has revealed, even less is given.
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No. I have just as much as any believer, more, in fact. I do not labour under a primitive superstitious delusion and a religion based on a fraud with disappearing gold plates.
 
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