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Did I miss your answer to my last post, Janadele?

"Thanks so much for your reply, Janadele.
That clears up my confusion about Egyptus being a man or a woman.
But even so, Egyptus isn't a Chaldean word, but a Greek one.

And Pharaoh was never a given name but an honourific used in adressing the ruler of Egypt for the first time during the reign of Anhketaten, long after Egypt was founded as a nation. "
 
Janadele said:
Cleon: your words: "...- nothing in common whatsoever with the "trnaslation" that Smith concocted." are not from the Pearl of Great Price.

I refer again to my previous post.
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That's correct. It's my own argument, based on my own reading of the Book of Abraham. It is not from "anti-Mormon literature." So kindly stop lying about that.
 
Janadele said:
The Book of Mormon is Scripture and LDS Doctrine... and therefore true. All things are possible with the Lord.
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Then why can't god speak to you directly, why does he need intermediaries?
 
Janadele said:
The reference is a church missionary pamphlet. The pamphlet, however, does not use the word “vision” but refers to it as an actual occurrence that happened twice (“Joseph Smith’s Testimony,” pp. 19-20).
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Hi Janadele,

If you are going to reply to something, could you please leave that something at the beginning of the post, and not post your reply above the quote. It makes your posts in this thread impossible to follow on my mobile device.

(with apologies for the minor derail, especially due to the moderator warning)
 
The Spirit of Jesus does commune with the righteous.

The Holy Spirit is given as a companion to those who are baptised by authority to become a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This companionship is requisite on the recipient living a righteous life.

Knowledge and answers to prayers are given through both the Spirit of Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ has promised that a knowledge of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon will be given to those who pray in sincerity and ask if it is true

Revelations for the world is given through the Prophets.

tsig said:
Then why can't god speak to you directly, why does he need intermediaries?
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Janadele said:
The Spirit of Jesus does commune with the righteous.

The Holy Spirit is given as a companion to those who are baptised by authority to become a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This companionship is requisite on the recipient living a righteous life.

Knowledge and answers to prayers are given through both the Spirit of Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ has promised that a knowledge of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon will be given to those who pray in sincerity and ask if it is true Revelations for the world is given through the Prophets.
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What, may I ask, is your source for this inherently circular claim?
 
Janadele said:
Wolab, There is no need to blaspheme against a Prophet of God, nor is it wise to do so.

Regarding the age of consent, this has historically been at an age lower than what we today expect it to be. Times change, children worked from a young age years ago, took on responsibilities, and married early.
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If Smith were a prophet then he'd probably have at least got the details right in the story he told. It seems more likely he was a sexual deviant with a thing for young girls in addition to having a complete lack of integrity.
 
RandFan said:
Compartmentalization. Mormons can be and ofter are very rational. One of the bugs features of human cognition is the ability to be rational in one area while irrational in another. Newton being a prime example. One of the greatest most rational minds ever, he believed in Alchemy and wrote copious amounts of nonsense on the subject.
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Yeah, not willing to risk it.
 
Janadele said:
The Spirit of Jesus does commune with the righteous.

The Holy Spirit is given as a companion to those who are baptised by authority to become a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This companionship is requisite on the recipient living a righteous life.

Knowledge and answers to prayers are given through both the Spirit of Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ has promised that a knowledge of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon will be given to those who pray in sincerity and ask if it is true

Revelations for the world is given through the Prophets.
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So no one could know god til Smith wrote the BoM?
 
Moroni 10:3–5.
3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in you hearts.

4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not btrue; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/moro/10.3-5?lang=eng



"We invite all men everywhere to read the Book of Mormon, to ponder in their hearts the message it contains, and then to ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ if the book is true. Those who pursue this course and ask in faith will gain a testimony of its truth and divinity by the power of the Holy Ghost. (See Moroni 10:3–5.)

Those who gain this divine witness from the Holy Spirit will also come to know by the same power that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, that Joseph Smith is his revelator and prophet in these last days, and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lord’s kingdom once again established on the earth, preparatory to the second coming of the Messiah."
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/introduction?lang=eng

Slowvehicle said:
What, may I ask, is your source for this inherently circular claim?
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Janadele said:
Moroni 10:3–5.
3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in you hearts.

4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not btrue; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/moro/10.3-5?lang=eng



"We invite all men everywhere to read the Book of Mormon, to ponder in their hearts the message it contains, and then to ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ if the book is true. Those who pursue this course and ask in faith will gain a testimony of its truth and divinity by the power of the Holy Ghost. (See Moroni 10:3–5.)

Those who gain this divine witness from the Holy Spirit will also come to know by the same power that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, that Joseph Smith is his revelator and prophet in these last days, and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lord’s kingdom once again established on the earth, preparatory to the second coming of the Messiah."
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/introduction?lang=eng
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What happened to all those who were born and died before J. Smith got his revelation?
 
tsig said:
What happened to all those who were born and died before J. Smith got his revelation?
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Their descendants baptize them posthumously, and thus thy can enter the 1st class region of heaven, instead of being force to live in the slums.

One of the reasons why the LDS church is obsessed with genealogy.
 
carlitos said:
Hi Janadele,

If you are going to reply to something, could you please leave that something at the beginning of the post, and not post your reply above the quote. It makes your posts in this thread impossible to follow on my mobile device.

(with apologies for the minor derail, especially due to the moderator warning)
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A number of us have asked her to stop doing this, but she rudely ignores us and claims she disagrees that it is difficult to follow. There really should be a forum rule put in place for that kind if thing. Personally, i don't take someone serioiusly if thy cannot follow basic grammar structure in the english language.
 
Janadele said:
jsfisher:
It is from the New Era, as noted.
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Well, putting aside how improper your supposed citation was, you may be surprised to learn the FAIR website offers the same text, word for word, with no credit to New Era. The site is good enough to recommend the January 1968 publication for additional discussion of the material, but that's not the same as a citation.

Be that as it may, what you are saying, then, is that FAIRMORMON.ORG is the plagiarist. I'm glad we cleared that up.
 
Janadele said:
Moroni 10:3–5.
3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in you hearts.

4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not btrue; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/moro/10.3-5?lang=eng



"We invite all men everywhere to read the Book of Mormon, to ponder in their hearts the message it contains, and then to ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ if the book is true. Those who pursue this course and ask in faith will gain a testimony of its truth and divinity by the power of the Holy Ghost. (See Moroni 10:3–5.)

Those who gain this divine witness from the Holy Spirit will also come to know by the same power that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, that Joseph Smith is his revelator and prophet in these last days, and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lord’s kingdom once again established on the earth, preparatory to the second coming of the Messiah."
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/introduction?lang=eng
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Another part of the circle is not proof of the validity of the circle.
What source OUTSIDE of mormonism would prove mormonism true?
 
Janadele said:
Moroni 10:3–5.
3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in you hearts.

4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not btrue; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/moro/10.3-5?lang=eng



"We invite all men everywhere to read the Book of Mormon, to ponder in their hearts the message it contains, and then to ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ if the book is true. Those who pursue this course and ask in faith will gain a testimony of its truth and divinity by the power of the Holy Ghost. (See Moroni 10:3–5.)

Those who gain this divine witness from the Holy Spirit will also come to know by the same power that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, that Joseph Smith is his revelator and prophet in these last days, and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lord’s kingdom once again established on the earth, preparatory to the second coming of the Messiah."
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/introduction?lang=eng
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Why would you look to this book for guidance on anything when it's so obvious that it's all made up by a fraud?
 
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