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Jomante said:
People will knowingly go along with a lie if the benefit is worth it. My kids, for example, don't really believe in Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, or the Easter Bunny, but they go along with it because, hey, there's money, presents, and chocolate in it for them!

Similarly, religion gives people hope. Hope to see lost loved ones again, hope to exist beyond this life, hope that some immortal cares about them. Is that worth the trade-off of believing a lie? Apparently a lot of people seem to think so.
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For some reason my reply ended up as a nomination. How did that happen? I don't know. Anyway I was going to say that this is where I've always failed at religion. I can see going along with a religion for its personal or social benefits. I can even see being a Mormon if it's the only way you can see to be the best person you can see yourself being. But what I can't see is going along with a religion for a spiritual hope that you don't actually truly believe. To me "believing a lie" is like saying I know something won't happen but I know it will in the same breath. It just doesn't make sense. I guess I'm just too literal minded for religion.
 
Janadele said:
For the anti-Mormon posters here busily looking up my internet posts since 2006, I recommend you read them and learn something for a change. Of course much of my past posts on other Forums have been made under other names. Plus a number of Forums have since closed and are now in outer-darkness... shame you missed them, there is so much you need to learn. :p Though it should be remembered that internet stalking, harassment, and reposting from site to site without permission is illegal and against International Internet Rules.
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Where are these rules codified? Do you have a link?
 
="Janadele"]...Though it should be remembered that internet stalking, harassment, and reposting from site to site without permission is illegal and against International Internet Rules.
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Janadele, I can see why you do mostly nothing other than re-post pro-Mormon propaganda. When you try to post your own thoughts....

Norm
 
bruto said:
But what I can't see is going along with a religion for a spiritual hope that you don't actually truly believe.
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I think that's where faith comes in. You have to exercise faith and believe. Then your mind can latch onto any coincidence, watch for anything that would help it with some confirmation bias, which will in turn strengthen the belief and make you watch even more for those things. Then when you have a mind filled with anecdotes supporting those beliefs, it becomes easier to ignore the inconvenient facts that disprove them, including the fact that you didn't believe at first. You can set aside reality to believe what your mind needs you to for whatever purpose (social, emotional, etc.)

I know my mind is good at setting aside reality. It enables me to enjoy fictional movies without having to analyze every inconsistency in the fairy tale....well, usually I can :)
 
Foster Zygote said:
Pfft... I'm naked right now.
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Pics, or ST.... actually, no, don't worry ;)

Janadele, what on earth are these International Internet Rules? Are you really just trolling or are you planning to engage with people in a discussion (as Cat Tale has done, and to a lesser extent Skyrider did)?
 
Deja vu all over again

Janadele said:
For the anti-Mormon posters here ... and are now in outer-darkness... shame.... :p ...internet stalking, harassment, and reposting from site to site without permission is illegal and against International Internet Rules.
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Corn God! You're back!
 
Pup said:
I think there's just a little bit of difference between adapting a traditional folk song and then claiming it as one's own, and blatantly stealing other historians' words in a semi-formal post. ;)
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Bit like the Book of Mormon - which is a blatant rip off from the bible.
 
Janadele said:
When a Prophet of God, speaks as a Prophet he is speaking for Jesus Christ. At all other times he speaks as a mortal, as do we all.
"Brigham Young's comments can be read as a condemnation of abuse and rape of helpless black women.
In 1863, couplings between black women and white men would virtually always be a relationship of a staggering power imbalance, with few rights for the woman, who was often forced into sexual activity. Her children would have been automatic slaves if she was a slave, and the men under no legal responsibility to provide for her or the children.
Brigham was far more worried about white men abusing their position of political and cultural superiority.This is not to say that Brigham did not share some ideas about the desirability of keeping races separate; virtually everyone of his era did. American ethnologists taught that whites and blacks were separately created races, the mixture of which would corrupt both... In the same speech Brigham Young condemns the whites for their treatment of blacks, and threatens punishment for white men who have what is likely forced intercourse with black women, His fire and brimstone is all for the aggressor; his sympathy is for those who were mistreated." Fair
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You really should credit other peoples work when you blatantly cut and paste. Especially when they post a warning like this at the bottom of the page.


Copyright © 2005–2013 Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research. ..<snip>.. The content of this page may not be copied, published, or redistributed without the prior written consent of FAIR. ..<snip>..
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Claiming it as your own is just dishonest. People have replied to this waffle as if it were your own words. You haven't declared otherwise? I don't know if this has been pointed out earlier or not. I'm not going to read through 2500 posts to find out.


http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_racial_issues/Brigham_Young/Race_mixing_punishable_by_death
 
In case your eyesight is poor, I draw your attention to the quotes, and the word Fair at the conclusion.
 
Janadele said:
In case your eyesight is poor, I draw your attention to the quotes, and the word Fair at the conclusion.
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Nothing wrong with my eyesight. I saw these " at each end of the text.

Do you believe that is an honest way to present another persons argument?

There are literarally hundreds of examples in this thread alone (I'm assuming) of how it should be done. If you don't know how to link or quote text, I'm sure someone could explain the process. You only need ask.
 
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Janadele said:
In case your eyesight is poor, I draw your attention to the quotes, and the word Fair at the conclusion.
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Hi Janadele.
With all due respect, I looked back over your post and I assumed the text was yours and that Fair was a word starting a phrase you'd cut from the final post and this word escaped the cut.
This has happened to me while editing a post :o

It never occurred to me to associate it with FAIR, because in that case you'd have copied the link to the text's source.
That's my take on a partly-sunny Sunday.
 
abaddon said:
Since you are seeking genuine questions about your LDS beliefs, what is the LDS position on lies and deceit?
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Janadele said:
In case your eyesight is poor, I draw your attention to the quotes, and the word Fair at the conclusion.
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abaddon said:
In case you eyesight is poor, I ask again.
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Since you have obviously been back to the site, why are you avoiding this question, Janadele?
Shiner said:
Nothing wrong with my eyesight. I saw these " at each end of the text.

Do you believe that is an honest way to present another persons argument?

There are literarally hundreds of examples in this thread alone (I'm assuming) of how it should be done. If you don't know how to link or quote text, I'm sure someone could explain the process. You only need ask.
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This troll has had this pointed out for six years or more, yet persists in the same behaviour. Your logic will not be effective on this troll. Nor will mine.
 
abaddon said:
Since you have obviously been back to the site, why are you avoiding this question, Janadele?
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I do not usually respond to argumentive, rude, insulting, objectionable, offensive posters nor to personal attacks. Fortunately I have retained my free agency, which entitles me to that right.
 
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