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LCFC: $20 million.

$19 million on promoting? What are they gonna advertise on the freakin' MOON?

I can't wait until this some ****** tabloid grabs it and ridicules it "Loose Change, Loose Brains"

and all the article will say is "lol. screwloosechange.blogspot.com"
 
T.A.M. said:
ahhh, but LC Final edition, so far has not been.

TAM:)
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True, true but I wonder if Cannes and most other film festivals consider a remake a new film. Also, French subtitles are required.
 
'This budget needs cutting"

jhunter1163 said:
Charlie Sheen voiceovers: $10 million.

Copyright-violation judgments: $9.5 million.

Product placement in Hustler: $450,000.

Beer, pizza and weed: $49,962.

Researching the events of 9/11: $38.

Total: $20 million.
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"There!"
 
From the LC blog
Just thought I'd hop on here and clarify something. If you've read the Hustler article mentioned below, you'll read that "the new budget's over $20 million."

We do not have a $20 million budget. We do not have any budget, because nothing has even been signed. All we're doing at this point is negotiating, however, all negotiators are on-board 100% as far as we can tell.

If I had to guess, off the top of my head, our budget is approximately $1 million. For reference, Fahrenheit 9/11 cost approximately $6 million to produce.

Our prints and advertising budget, however, may far exceed $20 million. Film costs money, so do advertisements.

So, to all those chanting loudly, "Loose Change has sold out," or feel that they are justified writing an article about that number to make us look bad, I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree.
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"We have no budget"
"Our budget is $1 million"

Mmmmmkay....

Most importantly - where has the money come from? They claim to have signed no deals as of yet - so no one can technically have given them a budget.

Could this money have come out of donations, the ad's on their website etc?

$1m seems a bit excessive for a current budget. And I think their hopes for $20m for advertising are a bit 'over-hyped'. In other words - I think they shouldn't get their hopes up.
 
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doctorfungi said:
From the LC blog


"We have no budget"
"Our budget is $1 million"

Mmmmmkay....

Most importantly - where has the money come from? They claim to have signed no deals as of yet - so no one can technically have given them a budget.

Could this money have come out of donations, the ad's on their website etc?

$1m seems a bit excessive for a current budget. And I think their hopes for $20m for advertising are a bit 'over-hyped'. In other words - I think they shouldn't get their hopes up.
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I imagine they're talking in terms of possible deals. If they really are thinking about a theatrical release I would imagine that they'll have to do some production work to account for the much higher resolution of film. They'd also have to get all their clearances properly sorted. Maybe they have plans for CGI and suchlike that they haven't produced yet. Maybe they want to shoot footage at the sites and with witnesses using proper film stock and crews. I doubt that anyone with money would back a theatrical release of Loose Change without making a lot of changes.

The way that Dylan talks about the $20m, though, makes me think he hasn't been in any serious discussions and is just bluffing.
 
maccy said:
I imagine they're talking in terms of possible deals. If they really are thinking about a theatrical release I would imagine that they'll have to do some production work to account for the much higher resolution of film. They'd also have to get all their clearances properly sorted. Maybe they have plans for CGI and suchlike that they haven't produced yet. Maybe they want to shoot footage at the sites and with witnesses using proper film stock and crews. I doubt that anyone with money would back a theatrical release of Loose Change without making a lot of changes.

The way that Dylan talks about the $20m, though, makes me think he hasn't been in any serious discussions and is just bluffing.
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True, if this was a poker game I'd call and raise.

I hope they have some set aside for lawsuits. If they get theatrical release they will get a lot of attention which Dylan will obviously love. Fame has been his goal all along after all.

But with fame comes responsibility. He's going to get called out. And with his personal lack of any kind of credentials, someone with credentials will step up. They'll see a harsh response from the victims, from structural engineers, from historians, from us, from radio and TV hosts and he'll be the laughing stock of not only his town, but an entire nation.
 
I could easily make a 20 million dollar budget for a film/video/childrens book. If a actually could finance it, well, I really don't think so. :)
 
doctorfungi said:
True, if this was a poker game I'd call and raise.

I hope they have some set aside for lawsuits. If they get theatrical release they will get a lot of attention which Dylan will obviously love. Fame has been his goal all along after all.

But with fame comes responsibility. He's going to get called out. And with his personal lack of any kind of credentials, someone with credentials will step up. They'll see a harsh response from the victims, from structural engineers, from historians, from us, from radio and TV hosts and he'll be the laughing stock of not only his town, but an entire nation.
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Thing is, if I was a producer investing even $1million, I'd make him entirely re-work the documentary so that it was about the "Truth Movement" rather than advancing anything it says. I'd tell Dylan that he'd have to spin his own story as "my journey into the heart of the Truth Movement" and I'd get him to dump Bermas and probably Rowe as well. I wouldn't make him speak out against the movement but I'd insist on his appearing non-commital and as neutral as possible. Actually, I'd probably make him say something like: "For a long time I was a part of this movement, now I'm not so sure and so I'm withdrawing from it to tell its story. I still have an open mind, though, I hope you do. Consider the things the people in this documentary are saying and make your own minds up. These are questions that deserve thinking about."

If he did that, then the documentary isn't making any allegations and so the producers would be protected from lawsuits.

Anybody want to take a guess as to whether Avery would change his film like this for a paycheck and the chance of a Hollywood break?

Paranoid fringe culture can only take him so far...

Supporting evidence: Dylan's "we were just kids, there are lots of mistakes in Loose Change" statement in the Hardfire debate.
 
Great point Shrinker :)

Awesome points maccy.

Well put, both of you.
 
maccy said:
The way that Dylan talks about the $20m, though, makes me think he hasn't been in any serious discussions and is just bluffing.
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I was left with the same impression after reading Dylan's blog entry. I think this is all damage control regarding comments from Rowe which are clearly false.
 
I find it funny how they are always covering for each other.

One will say what the other 2 don't like. Pretty funny really.
 
On the question of whether (or not) the LC boys will be donating any of the profits (if any) of Loose Change: The Final Cut to victims families or to an independant 9/11 investigation, The Leader of the Pack responds:

we'll be donating more than michael moore, oliver stone and paul greengrass have donated to date, which is right now at approximately 0%
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To which 'Look-Up', or Shorty as we like to call him, chips in with:

The more you donate, the better man. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE will legitimately be able to accuse you and the movement as a whole, of "pissing on the graves of victims"

It would be a great P.R. tactic to use.
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http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2400

Great PR indeed.:boggled:
 
"Proceeds from Flight 93 movie to help memorial"

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2006/03/31/flight93-movie.html

'World Trade Center' Film To Give Back
To Donate 10% Of Opening Box Office Receipts To Sept. 11 Charities"

http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/26/movie_news/main1839494.shtml

http://www.hollywood.com/news/detail/id/3537358
Half of the money raised will be given to the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, which is funding a $500 million memorial on the Manhattan site of the terrorist attack.

After families of 9/11 victims expressed concerns over his film project, Stone promised sensitivity and will split the remaining five percent of profits between three charities: Tuesday's Children, which helps youngsters who lost a parent in the tragedy; the Tribute WTC Visitor Center, due to open this summer; and the New York Police and Fire Widows' and Children's Benefit Fund.
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Usually it's the director who is the loud mouth and the producer who has to correct him...
 
Pardalis said:
"Proceeds from Flight 93 movie to help memorial"

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2006/03/31/flight93-movie.html

'World Trade Center' Film To Give Back
To Donate 10% Of Opening Box Office Receipts To Sept. 11 Charities"

http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/26/movie_news/main1839494.shtml

http://www.hollywood.com/news/detail/id/3537358
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And, to kind of complete the set:

http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/02/news/newsmakers/fahrenheit_charities/

Note that More doesn't have control over the profits - not surprising as he didn't put up the money. I'm pretty sure the same applies to Greengrass and Stone.
 
Sooooo three wrong out of three.

Maybe Avery should make a documentary about it.
 
uk_dave said:
Sooooo three wrong out of three.

Maybe Avery should make a documentary about it.
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Well, we can't be sure that Disney gave any of the money to 911 charities - but I'd say it's a fair guess that they did.
 
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