Larry Silverstein explaining what he meant by 'pull it'

Thanks, DGM. This kind of timeline does seem necessary for your theory to somewhat work. You're aware it contradicts the popular explanation, as found in Wikipedia?

It also raises a difficult question: How did debris from the destruction of WTC 2 at 9:59 hurl itself into WTC 7 enough to knock out several floors below floor 6, trapping Jennings and Hess? While not hurling itself into any other buildings neighbouring or shielding WTC 7?

And again... ***sigh***...

WTC7 was set ablaze on several floors. These fires were not dealt with and were left to burn for a period of 7 hours after the collapse of Tower 1. And yes, other buildings were destroyed upon impact of falling debris from Tower 1 and 2. This has already been explained to you several times before and the picture you just posted totally refutes your argument but you insist to keep asking the same questions.... YAAAAAWWWWNNN!!!!
 
I agree with most of what you are saying, and I understand your point of view -except you are bedunking a standard demolition. When this substance was introduced to WTC7, then everything standard about this demolition goes out the window. I can understand this, and I think you can also.

It doesn't look like CD?
 
I agree with most of what you are saying, and I understand your point of view -except you are bedunking a standard demolition. When this substance was introduced to WTC7, then everything standard about this demolition goes out the window. I can understand this, and I think you can also.

From how truthers say their explosives and mysterious substance works, they would have to be magic.
 
Since we don't how how or where this substance was manufactured, the exact purpose and/or properties remain unknown - that is until it can be duplicated and tested. That will be exceedingly difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.

Then how do you know that Jones found thermite?
 
Thanks, DGM. This kind of timeline does seem necessary for your theory to somewhat work. You're aware it contradicts the popular explanation, as found in Wikipedia?

It also raises a difficult question: How did debris from the destruction of WTC 2 at 9:59 hurl itself into WTC 7 enough to knock out several floors below floor 6, trapping Jennings and Hess? While not hurling itself into any other buildings neighbouring or shielding WTC 7?


Refresh my memory. What time did you say they arrived?

I really don't see the problem. They arrived before the collapse of the south tower. That tower collapsed while the were going up to the "bunker". On their way back down, the north tower collapsed.

After thinking for a bit, they most likely arrived around 9.50 AM (or so).
 
Refresh my memory. What time did you say they arrived?

I really don't see the problem. They arrived before the collapse of the south tower. That tower collapsed while the were going up to the "bunker". On their way back down, the north tower collapsed.

After thinking for a bit, they most likely arrived around 9.50 AM (or so).

Yeah, DGM, I actually posted that same timeline. I was then asked why Barry wasn't at work earlier, and Ergo wondered if he was having coffee. Which I wasn't sure, I didn't ask him.

To be it goes a little something like,

Barry gets to work at around 9:45-9:50. On his way up WTC 2 collapses throwing dust and debris on the ground, since Barry isn't "The flash" I would assume he wouldn't make it up until about 10:00-05. After feeling the ground shake, probably some popping\explosions from WTC 2 coming down, combined with no one in the building, he makes a few phone calls, and is told to get out of the building. We're probably looking at a time pretty close to 10:20-25 right now. Barry starts making his way down, and WTC 1 comes down at 10:28...the rest is history.
 
Yeah, DGM, I actually posted that same timeline. I was then asked why Barry wasn't at work earlier, and Ergo wondered if he was having coffee. Which I wasn't sure, I didn't ask him.

To be it goes a little something like,

Barry gets to work at around 9:45-9:50. On his way up WTC 2 collapses throwing dust and debris on the ground, since Barry isn't "The flash" I would assume he wouldn't make it up until about 10:00-05. After feeling the ground shake, probably some popping\explosions from WTC 2 coming down, combined with no one in the building, he makes a few phone calls, and is told to get out of the building. We're probably looking at a time pretty close to 10:20-25 right now. Barry starts making his way down, and WTC 1 comes down at 10:28...the rest is history.
This makes sense. Didn't Jennings mention the triage (not part of the general evacuation) that was already set up in WTC7 on his arrival? If memory serves that also fits this time-line.
 
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I'll give you a citation you should have. 'At approximately 9:44am, after the report of a third aircraft heading the city and news that the Pentagon had been attacked, a Deputy OEM Commissioner ordered the complete evacuation of WTC 7 (Sheirer 2004) This order included the evacuation of the OEM operations center on the 23rd floor. The loss of the OEM operations center created difficulties related to the coordination of emergency responder operations and resources'

NIST NCSTAR 1-8 p 109

I have a distinct feeling you're going to ignore this or just handwave it away as part of the 'conspiracy'. But there it is. Further, did you know that at 9:30am FDNY, EMS established a triage center in the lobby of WTC 7?
(also on p 109 of NCSTAR 1-8)

Alienentity posted that in an earlier thread so everything does match up with that time line. Figure if he called the total evacuation at 9:44, figure in a slight delay with communications being down. Everything matches in my eyes.
 
Since we don't how how or where this substance was manufactured, the exact purpose and/or properties remain unknown - that is until it can be duplicated and tested. That will be exceedingly difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.
Wow, a load of nonsene, a statement made because your goal it to troll.

What? We don't know, and Jones' experts don't know, but they say they know? Are you saying Jones is wrong, they don't know? Wow, you sure do fall for the dumbest fake papers. Is that the function of a troll, bring up tangential junk to support the dumb claims of "pull it", to prove 911 truth is nuts? You are right, but the we don't know extends to themite, Jones has no clue what the dust means, but I do.

"pull it" for you means super-nano-fantasy-thermite was used.?? lol

Thermite?, the chemical properties are known. Did you take chemistry? Jones and company mislead you into believing it has special properties, but those special properties extend to rate of reaction, some other things, but you can explain them, if you did chemistry. You may of picked failed claims because you are gullible or were telling the truth, your goal, masterful troll. You spread lies, in this case pure poppycock.

The substance was manufactured in Jones head, 4 years after 911. How, where and when, I gave you 3, you asked for 2.

The exact purpose, to a make up a lie, Jones made up a lie, he hates Bush, he voted for Bush, but now earthquakes and thermite were done by Bush and unknown bad guys. (what will he do when someone tells him Obama is president? Wait, is he a closet bigot too?)

The properties, are those of dust, it is random. As seen in the paper,each sample burns different, with the heat more or less than thermite; remember jet fuel burned 10 times more heat energy than the samples, plastic 14 times more heat. Brining thermite to an office fire is Stupid. Paper burns with more heat energy, but why do you care, you have your fantasy, and can troll JREF as you wish.

Jones lied and said thermite. This is not the first paper Jones made up to spread his lie.
His first paper, a letter of woo.
5. I conducted simple experiments on the "pancaking" theory, by dropping cement blocks from approximately 12 feet onto other cement blocks. (The floors in the WTC buildings were about 12 feet apart.) We are supposed to believe, from the pancaking theory, that a concrete floor dropping 12 feet onto another concrete floor will result in PULVERIZED concrete observed during the Towers' collapses! Nonsense! My own experiments, and I welcome you to try this yourself, is that only chips/large chunks of cement flaked off the blocks -- no mass pulverization to approx. 100-micron powder as observed. Explosives, however, can indeed convert concrete to dust --mostly, along with some large chunks-- as observed in the destruction of the Twin Towers on 9-11-01.
Jones a physics expert, can't do E=mgh, and you can't either.

Poor Jones, most the dust was insulation, ceiling tiles and wallboard. His paper is simple, and insane. Want a copy, pm me an email, you can use it as more "evidence" for your fantasy.

BYU found he was posting his paper at BYU! Jones had to start his own journal, of woo. He has thermite on his mind, use the melody of Georgia. What would you do if you hated Bush and war; lie like Jones?

This paper was funny.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/
The conclusion after the paper actually debunks the conclusion with facts to the contrary.
6 Conclusion
The presence of energetic materials, specifically energetic nanocomposites, at GZ, has the potential to explain much of the unusual environmental data seen at the WTC. Thermite, discussed briefly above, is such a pyrotechnic mixture that cannot be easily extinguished and is a common component of energetic nanocomposites. Unusually high detections of sulfur, silicon, aluminum, copper, nickel, iron, barium, and vanadium might all be explained by physical release of materials from such energetic nanocomposites.
Let me repeat the evidence for thermite, from the conclusion.
Unusually high detections of sulfur, silicon, aluminum, copper, nickel, iron, barium, and vanadium might all be explained by physical release of materials from such energetic nano-composites.

This is Jones at his best.

Sulfur - tons of wallboard were used in the WTC, guess what is in wallboard, tons of batteries with H2SO4, more sulfur


Aluminum - guess what the exterior of the WTC was made of, guess what was found at similar concentration in the dust, and the earth's crust? OH?! Ironic part! The concentration of Al in the WTC dust is less than that found in soil in the east coast; Oops. Many other source of Al.


Copper - What are wires in the WTC were made of? Cu in computer monitors. This claim indicates mental illness, or delusional logic.


Nickel - computer monitors, batteries, ...


Iron - guess what steel is made of, guess what the WTC complex is made of, guess what 6 percent of the earth's crust is, the same levels of iron that was found some dust samples. OH?! WTC sample range, the WTC sample mean Eastern US soil. Iron is in paint, etc.


Barium - computer monitors, and the range of barium in samples, includes that found in the soil. Remember all those old CRT monitors, thousands in the WTC had Barium, used to remove oxygen from the vacuum tubes; Jones failed because he does as much research when he is blaming the NWO for 911 as 911 cult members do. Like you.


Vanadium - This is ironic, less vanadium than you might find from dust on earth's crust on the east coast. Don't get the idea vanadium can't melt in office fires, you only have to look up the right compound. Vanadium is used for a lot of things. With Vanadium at less detection than nature, makes Jones claim which he bases his conclusion on, a lie, an exaggeration, "Unusually high detections". Jones is a Liar.

pull it, your support for jones' lies


His latest vanity paper, where he burns thermite and it puffs up like vermiculite, releasing heat that does not match thermite, 10 times less heat than jet fuel. Big reason we use gasoline to run cars instead of the super thermite junk. 911 truth Followers fall for anything.


Simple. If a thermitic substance exists that can weaken steel gradually and keep reacting until it turns structural steel into what FEMA found at ground zero, then truther claims of arson/CD would be substantiated.
Wrong, it is used to fuse steel together, it would leave a pile of iron, fused to steel.
The eutectic found in two pieces of steel, due to corrosion in FIRE, at temperatures below the melting point of steel. A troll does not read the paper, he makes up stupid statements like this and trolls away, not doing research, just spreading lies.
The steel found was corroded in fire. You failed, you forgot to look up what it means. You have no clue what a eutectic is. You failed to look it up, standard procedure for trolls, and you promised to do this again.

Haritt proved arson to me when he found the unreacted thermitic material in the dust. The hypothesis then becomes how it was used to produce the results we witnessed.
He found dust, with Fe, Na, S, Mg, Al, K, Zn, Cr, Cl, P, Si, Ti, Ca, etc, not close to thermite. You fall for lies. They found dust from the WTC. Haritt proved you are gullible, and you don't do chemistry.

I agree with most of what you are saying, and I understand your point of view -except you are bedunking a standard demolition. When this substance was introduced to WTC7, then everything standard about this demolition goes out the window. I can understand this, and I think you can also.
What? There was no substance introduced into WTC 7. Fire did it, you need to stop your masterful troll.

The eutectic is proof you don't research anything. You did not take time to read the paper on the corroded steel, you troll, you spread the failed lie of an inside job, all based on your fantasy. http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf
You bring up evidence, the eutectic in the steel, that debunks your and thermite. 911 truth usually debunks their own claims with their own sources. You did, and you are only trolling JREF, giving me typing practice. I did more research than you have done in 10 years, and it took me minutes, it will take you forever. That defines a troll, zero research.
Read the paper, the eutectic in the steel confirms, no thermite was used near it. You fall for lies; next time read your source before spreading idiotic claims.

"pull it"? Not with thermite, or explosives. Reality, it was the fire support, to protect the people from a burning building.

"pull it", for 911 truth, evidence for their idiotic fantasy of an inside job.
 
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Simple. If a thermitic substance exists that can weaken steel gradually and keep reacting until it turns structural steel into what FEMA found at ground zero, then truther claims of arson/CD would be substantiated.
Ah ah ah. You'd still have to prove it was actually present and used and able to survive a jumbo jet crashing into the building at 500 MPH (which knocked random beams clear out of the place) plus an hour or more of fire.

You didn't actually explain what "eutectic" means, or what it means for your theory.

Since we don't how how or where this substance was manufactured, the exact purpose and/or properties remain unknown - that is until it can be duplicated and tested. That will be exceedingly difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.
Yet you just said it was "thermitic material". That requires at least one property to be known; that it's thermitic.
 
Thanks, DGM. This kind of timeline does seem necessary for your theory to somewhat work. You're aware it contradicts the popular explanation, as found in Wikipedia?

It also raises a difficult question: How did debris from the destruction of WTC 2 at 9:59 hurl itself into WTC 7 enough to knock out several floors below floor 6, trapping Jennings and Hess? While not hurling itself into any other buildings neighbouring or shielding WTC 7?

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The funny thing is that I've asked you and other truthers how They knew 7 would be hit by debris in order to plant explosives in it. None of you ever answered.
 
Let's try to stay on topic guys. This thread is supposed to be about how Larry was in on the decision to pull the firefighters out of a building when they weren't there, and how, apparently, they were holding up the building themselves while not actually being in the building, since once ordered to evacuate, the building suddenly collapses.
 
... and how, apparently, they were holding up the building themselves while not actually being in the building, since once ordered to evacuate, the building suddenly collapses.

That's so pitiful it can only be blatant trolling.
 
Let's try to stay on topic guys.

Says RedIbis

This thread is supposed to be about how Larry was in on the decision to pull the firefighters out of a building when they weren't there,

No, it's not. That's where you're wrong. It's about how Larry WASN'T in on the decisions, the firefighting crew made the decision. Also, he wasn't referring to the firefighters, he was referring to the decision to pull the entire effort of firefighting(which has been stated is more than just fighting a fire), and create a collapse area.

and how, apparently, they were holding up the building themselves while not actually being in the building, since once ordered to evacuate, the building suddenly collapses.

This is even more wrong than the previous statement. No one was "holding the building up", the building was, barely, staying up by itself. Even more so, the building didn't "suddenly collapse" after everyone evacuated. There are multiple counts stating that the building was going to come down hours before it did. In fact, the fire fighters were upset that it took so long to collapse after the zone was created, due to them having to stop trying to rescue their fallen brothers and the thousands of innocents.

Absolutely pathetic, come back after you learn to either do research or read. Your disgrace of the fallen, and the people that made these decisions is deplorable.
 
Let's try to stay on topic guys. This thread is supposed to be about how Larry was in on the decision to pull the firefighters out of a building when they weren't there, and how, apparently, they were holding up the building themselves while not actually being in the building, since once ordered to evacuate, the building suddenly collapses.

LOL, that's comedy gold! You can't even grasp the OP.
 
Let's try to stay on topic guys. This thread is supposed to be about how Larry was in on the decision to pull the firefighters out of a building when they weren't there, and how, apparently, they were holding up the building themselves while not actually being in the building, since once ordered to evacuate, the building suddenly collapses.

Great, now about that explosive residue...
 
Let's try to stay on topic guys. This thread is supposed to be about how Larry was in on the decision to pull the firefighters out of a building when they weren't there, and how, apparently, they were holding up the building themselves while not actually being in the building, since once ordered to evacuate, the building suddenly collapses.

Wow every single thing you just posted was a *********** lie.

It is one thing to run from the lies that I've quoted in my sig, but are you really going to just out and out make stuff up from here on in?
 

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