Larry Silverstein explaining what he meant by 'pull it'

[plague311]

So Plague 311 thinks they arrived at building 7 shortly before WTC 2 fell, which would be shortly before 9:59am, a full hour and 14 minutes after the first tower was struck, and a good 50 minutes after everyone realized this was a terrorist attack. That's when they decided to go to the OEM.

The call to evacuate building 7 came at ____ am, but Jennings and Hess were in there anyway, even though the emergency headquarters had been moved.

They were on floor 23 and WTC 2 was "falling down around them" and debris knocked out some floors and they couldn't get out.

Look at a map. How did debris from WTC 2 knock out floors in building 7?

Uhm, did you just tell me what I thought? I didn't say any of that. You asked why it took them half an hour to get out. You then take a portion of my overall post and tell me what my thoughts are?

At one point he was knocked to the ground.

When you're knocked around it takes awhile to get out, plus fear.

 

[ergo]

If you understood the question I'm asking, you would realize that you really, really need to explain how debris from WTC 2 made it over to WTC 7, enough to blow out some floors.

But I suspect you don't even understand what this discussion is about.

 

[plague311]

If you understood the question I'm asking, you would realize that you really, really need to explain how debris from WTC 2 made it over to WTC 7.

But I suspect you don't even understand what this discussion is about.

I suspect you're a mental midget as well, but I don't say it. Your question is vague, and I answered it straight out. I'm sorry your comprehension is subpar.

You say:

So in the half hour between WTC 2's collapse and WTC 1's collapse, what the hell were they doing in building 7? Why didn't they leave, as they had been told to do?

In which I answer:

I am going to go with, they were 23 floors up, the building was falling down around them (stated in an earlier post), and Jennings stated multiple times that there was debris in the hallway. At one point he was knocked to the ground. There could be several explanations, none that have anything to do with controlled demolition.

Clearly pointed out in this thread. Explosions were explosions, but not explosives. The explosives wouldn't live through the events that transpired. If the explosions were explosives then the building wouldn't have stayed up as long as it did. Fact.

Please, ergo, explain where I misunderstood. By all means, correct me.

 

[ergo]

Please, ergo, explain where I misunderstood. By all means, correct me.

I've actually asked you three times. Please tell me how debris from the collapse of WTC 2 knocked out floors in WTC 7, trapping Jennings and Hess. Because if they weren't trapped by WTC 2 debris, then they would have been able to leave building 7 before the collapse of WTC 1.

Look at the map.

 

[beachnut]

I've actually asked you three times. Please tell me how debris from the collapse of WTC 2 knocked out floors in WTC 7, trapping Jennings and Hess. Because if they weren't trapped by WTC 2 debris, then they would have been able to leave building 7 before the collapse of WTC 1.

Look at the map.

Barry has no clue when he was trapped. You have no clue what damage was done to WTC 7 by either collapse, you troll, you don't do facts and evidence, you do bad science, you do failed physics.
Please present evidence to support your claims, stop being a troll, contribute some evidence. You don't do evidence. You spread lies.

Prove there was no damage, no dust at WTC 7 from the first collapse. go ahead, tell us something. Be more than a troll, and failed physics expert. Answer you own failed questions. You don't know much about 911, unable to explain what was damage in WTC 7, and when.

Did you listened to Barry yet? Why can't you source the map?

 

[plague311]

Among them are Barry Jennings, a City Housing Authority worker, and Mike Hess, New York’s chief lawyer who is also a longtime friend of Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. The two had gone up to the 23rd floor headquarters of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management some time before 10 a.m., but found it empty. (It was evacuated at 9:30 a.m.; see (9:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001.) They headed downstairs but became trapped around the sixth floor by smoke and debris that filled the staircase as a result of the North Tower collapsing at 10:28 a.m.

Your timeline is off....

ETA: In the, approximately, 30ish minutes between getting to the office, and starting leave. They made phone calls trying to fill in the blanks.

 

[ergo]

Your timeline is off....

Among them are Barry Jennings, a City Housing Authority worker, and Mike Hess, New York’s chief lawyer who is also a longtime friend of Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. The two had gone up to the 23rd floor headquarters of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management some time before 10 a.m., but found it empty. (It was evacuated at 9:30 a.m.; see (9:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001.) They headed downstairs but became trapped around the sixth floor by smoke and debris that filled the staircase as a result of the North Tower collapsing at 10:28 a.m.

ETA: In the, approximately, 30ish minutes between getting to the office, and starting leave. They made phone calls trying to fill in the blanks.

So the building was evacuated at 9:30 a.m., after everyone realizes that these are terrorist attacks. Then Jennings and Hess arrive. What were they doing before this? Having coffee? And why would they be escorted up to the 23rd floor by security if the building was already evacuated and the OEM had been moved?

Then WTC 2 falls. Then Jennings and Hess decide they should get out, especially because someone on the phone tells them they should get out. Security didn't bother telling them. And then it takes them half an hour to walk down 17 flights of stairs before WTC 1 falls, trapping them.

Is this the story you're going with?

 

[plague311]

So the building was evacuated at 9:30 a.m., after everyone realizes that these are terrorist attacks. Then Jennings and Hess arrive. What were they doing before this? Having coffee? And why would they be escorted up to the 23rd floor by security if the building was already evacuated and the OEM had been moved?

Then WTC 2 falls. Then Jennings and Hess decide they should get out, especially because someone on the phone tells them they should get out. Security didn't bother telling them. And then it takes them half an hour to walk down 17 flights of stairs before WTC 1 falls, trapping them.

Is this the story you're going with?

The building was evacuated, I didn't say anything about security. That's you, again, putting words in my mouth. Why do you continue to do this?

As far as what were they doing before that? How the hell would I know? They're grown ups, maybe they didn't work until 10. Maybe they weren't meant to work at all and got a call about the emergency and came to the office? There could be a ton of explanations. The burden of proof is on you, quit JAQing and do some work, son.

Where do you get that it took them half an hour to walk down 17 flights of stairs? They said the building was shaking and they were being knocked down, they stopped to break out a window. There is reasoning behind it all, just because YOU can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. It means you can't put it all together.

I've said this a thousand times before, the problem with CTists is they don't look at 9/11 with the entire picture. They piece everything off as if everything is an independent part of the plot. 4 planes + 19 terrorists.

 

[ergo]

The building was evacuated, I didn't say anything about security. That's you, again, putting words in my mouth. Why do you continue to do this?

Um, because the person who was there, the person we're talking about, provided that account. That's why you need to include that fact in your timeline.

The questions you're asking expose the flaws in your story, not mine. Son.

 

[Craig4]

So in the half hour between WTC 2's collapse and WTC 1's collapse, what the hell were they doing in building 7? Why didn't they leave, as they had been told to do?

Do try to keep up when I explain this to you. Evidence does not end with a question mark. Now, where's the physical evidence of an explosive?

 

[plague311]

Um, because the person who was there, the person we're talking about, provided that account. That's why you need to include that fact in your timeline.

The questions you're asking expose the flaws in your story, not mine. Son.

Can you show me where he provided that account? I checked through my previous posts and didn't see anything about it. In fact, I did another quick search and see nothing about security mentioned at all.

Can you provide a timeline? A real one that isn't from a CT site? Son.

ETA: Nice work on avoiding ALL the other aspects of my post and pointing out the one thing related to security. Priceless.

 

[ergo]

Can you show me where he provided that account? I checked through my previous posts and didn't see anything about it. In fact, I did another quick search and see nothing about security mentioned at all.

Take a look at his account from 2:23 on. He was on his way to work, and had received word that a Cessna had hit the first tower.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LLHTh_UjBc

Account of his first attempt to get into the OEM at 2:46.

 

[ergo]

And in the words of Jennings and Hess:

BTW, this is not loading.

 

[alienentity]

Chuckle...just noticed the problem now?

When you're done viewing it, please hurry up and provide us with photographic evidence that there were burning police cars and buses on Barclay before WTC 1 collapsed.

Without this evidence your argument fails 100%. It doesn't matter how much you attempt to sidetrack and quibble about various vague statements (which cannot be proved either way).

 

[ergo]

When you're done viewing it, please hurry up and provide us with photographic evidence that there were burning police cars and buses on Barclay before WTC 1 collapsed.

Without this evidence your argument fails 100%.

No, it doesn't, and it's unfathomable how you cannot understand this. If it was WTC 1 debris that trapped Jennings and Hess, (and btw, Jenning's testimony is above, so you can see for yourself where your story is wrong) but even if it WAS WTC1's debris, you still can't explain why they were in the building well after WTC 2's collapse, among all the other illogical items your timeline creates.

What don't you understand about this? Your timeline, your story DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

 

[000063]

No, it doesn't, and it's unfathomable how you cannot understand this. If it was WTC 1 debris that trapped Jennings and Hess, (and btw, Jenning's testimony is above, so you can see for yourself where your story is wrong) but even if it WAS WTC1's debris, you still can't explain why they were in the building well after WTC 2's collapse, among all the other illogical items your timeline creates.

What don't you understand about this? Your timeline, your story DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_trade_center_collapse

S. Tower collapse: 9:59.
N. Tower collapse: 10:28.

Wow. a whole thirty minutes is "well after". Do you know how long it takes to get out of a skyscraper on foot?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85646

because jennings isn't out to make money off of his lies. And what would be the point of Jennings coming out? he said he heard explosions; he did not see bombs and we already know that he is messed up on his timeline of events. His "issue" is really a non-issue, since facts do not support his claims.

I thought it was the 8th floor? I thought he was blown back and not left hanging?

Barry needs to make up his mind. Did he not also say he had to be carried out the building? Through a big hole in the building caused by the collapse of the towers which left the lobby looking liker king kong had trashed it. If he had sore knees he was not rushing down them stairs was he?

His story is all over the place.

 

[ergo]

9/11 bedunkers, please fill in the blanks:

WTC 1 was hit at 8:46 a.m. WTC 2 was hit at 9:03 a.m. WTC 7 was evacuated at 9:30 a.m.

Jennings and Hess arrived at WTC 7 at ______ a.m.

WTC 2 fell at 9:59 a.m., 29 minutes after WTC 7 was evacuated. WTC 1 fell at 10:28 a.m., almost one hour after WTC 7 was evacuated.

Jennings and Hess got trapped in WTC 7 when debris from WTC ____ blew out some lower floors.

 

[TJM]

No, it doesn't, and it's unfathomable how you cannot understand this. If it was WTC 1 debris that trapped Jennings and Hess, (and btw, Jenning's testimony is above, so you can see for yourself where your story is wrong) but even if it WAS WTC1's debris, you still can't explain why they were in the building well after WTC 2's collapse, among all the other illogical items your timeline creates.

What don't you understand about this? Your timeline, your story DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

It actually does make sense when you have a look at this video.



They were still in WTC7 after both towers were gone, apparently.

 

[DGM]

9/11 bedunkers, please fill in the blanks:

wtc 1 was hit at 8:46 a.m. Wtc 2 was hit at 9:03 a.m. Wtc 7 was evacuated at 9:30 a.m.

Jennings and hess arrived at wtc 7 at ______ a.m.

Wtc 2 fell at 9:59 a.m., 29 minutes after wtc 7 was evacuated. Wtc 1 fell at 10:28 a.m., almost one hour after wtc 7 was evacuated.

Jennings and hess got trapped in wtc 7 when debris from wtc ____ blew out some lower floors.

~9:30am (more toward 9:40)

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[deeper]

What don't you understand about this? Your timeline, your story DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

Maybe this will help. Worth watching from this point but they start talking about Barry after about a minute.

ETA: From the YouTube comments

maybe they should get those scrupulously honest conspiracy files people to LOOK for the lost doctor who tapes? lost their entire NINE ELEVEN ARCHIVE? do me a favour! bollocks they did! and why did they move heaven and earth to try( but fail) to remove the clairvoyant/evidence of forewarning building 7 collapse report from youtube?