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kurious_kathy explain this.

Diogenes said:
Sorry , I can't prove a negative. But you should know that..
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Of course I wasn't asking you to prove a negative, as I'm sure you're well aware since I posted the statement which I was asking you to prove in the post to which you are responding. I was asking you to prove the following statement you made here:

An important point here, is that contrary to popular ( or unpopular, depending on your perspective ) belief, God had no problem with married Jewish men getting all the strange they could manage ( via rape or otherwise ) , as long as it was not with a married ( to someone else ) Jewish woman.
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Not only have you not posted evidence of your statement, but I have provided evidence to the contrary. 1) I pointed out that the Bible does not condone rape, which I believe disproves your statement by itself; and 2) I also said that the Bible does have a problem with promiscuity, and posted some evidence of that as well (a verse from the Bible as well as the fact that the Talmud obviously doesn't have the same read on the Bible as a whole concerning promiscuity that you do). [Although I hadn't researched your implied claim that a man could rape his wife, information on the Internet indicates that the wife, not the husband, had the rights concerning sexual intimacy, so rape of a woman you are married to is apparently also frowned upon (one of the rights of a wife outlined in Exodus 21:10 and maybe elsewhere is termed "onah" in Hebrew, and is usually translated "conjugal rights" or "marital rights").]

Even if you were able to definitively refute the evidence I presented, you must still provide evidence to support your statement. And indeed the burden of proof is on you to do so.

-Bri
 
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kurious_kathy said:
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do not feel the need to answer this question or even try to justify why God allows anything. I myself am a New Testement Believer.
Many here get so hung up on Old Testament philosophy they miss the whole point. And I'm not stating there aren't things to learn from the Old Testament.. many lessons in the word of God for those who are spirit filled.
You might be interested in looking up some of Ray Vander Lann's work that is excellent. He's a historian and Bible teacher that I think is very good.
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Ooo..looks like at some point yesterday KK made an emergency "Help me!" call to her local pastor for the words to throw back at us evil heretics. Kathy, do you only know how to parrot things your pastor or CD tell you? You sound extremely brainwashed and without many original thoughts of your own. When did you stop being an individual and become a fundamentalist drone?
 
supercorgi said:
Ooo..looks like at some point yesterday KK made an emergency "Help me!" call to her local pastor for the words to throw back at us evil heretics. Kathy, do you only know how to parrot things your pastor or CD tell you? You sound extremely brainwashed and without many original thoughts of your own. When did you stop being an individual and become a fundamentalist drone?
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That's why some of 'em (proselytizers) go door to door in pairs. I've had many moments of fun watching them get glassy-eyed when asked questions outside their tiny points of reference.

Reminds me of a pretty young woman I met at the local shopping center some years ago, who asked me what I would like if I could have anything I wanted. To be a clear, I answered knowingly. She was just so happy to hear that. And I was able to go on my way without further ado.

M.
 
UrsulaV said:
I third that--anybody willing to actually answer a question and discuss the matter rationally gets major props, even if I don't neccessarily agree with t'answers.
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Thank you also. I must commend all of you for fairly considering opposing viewpoints, even when you don't entirely agree.

-Bri
 
supercorgi said:
Ooo..looks like at some point yesterday KK made an emergency "Help me!" call to her local pastor for the words to throw back at us evil heretics. Kathy, do you only know how to parrot things your pastor or CD tell you? You sound extremely brainwashed and without many original thoughts of your own. When did you stop being an individual and become a fundamentalist drone?
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Actually I see it a bit differently...I have been made spiritually more alive. I don't buy into all the lies the world can feed us anymore. It's called being tranformed by the renewing of your mind, ever heard of the concept?
Every one whether they know it or not makes a choice in who they serve, and what they believe. Isn't this truely why God gives us free will?
 
kurious_kathy said:
It's called being tranformed by the renewing of your mind, ever heard of the concept?
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Like a lobotomy?

Every one whether they know it or not makes a choice in who they serve, and what they believe. Isn't this truely why God gives us free will?
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Hmmm...iirc, in Exodus, God hardened the Pharoah's heart when he considered setting the Israelite's free, so that he could prove a point and punish Egypt. How is that interpreted as free will?
 
Are you folks really interested in a discussion about free will? Kathy cannot prove free will exists any more than you can disprove it. Science doesn't know whether or not we have free will any more than it knows whether or not God exists. As wrong as Kathy is about most things, she is correct that we all believe things we cannot prove (we generally call these beliefs "opinions").

So let's cut to the chase here, shall we? Kathy, how certain are you of your beliefs? Can you prove them, or are they based on faith (i.e. opinions)? If opinions, you surely allow for the possibility that your beliefs might be wrong. If you admit that your beliefs might be wrong, do you still feel it is your duty to pester others to believe as you do? If so, why?

-Bri
 
Bri said:
Are you folks really interested in a discussion about free will?
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Sure, but the problem is that KK does not discuss, she preaches. If any attempt at discussion is made she simply cuts and pastes some long diatribe. You and I might discuss, she can't.

So let's cut to the chase here, shall we? Kathy, how certain are you of your beliefs? Can you prove them, or are they based on faith (i.e. opinions)? If opinions, you surely allow for the possibility that your beliefs might be wrong. If you admit that your beliefs might be wrong, do you still feel it is your duty to pester others to believe as you do? If so, why?

-Bri
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A good attempt Bri but I'll be surprised if it works. As I've said in a previous post, I've known people like her. There is NO possibility that she could EVER consider her opinions wrong. Once these people sieze on something they are as rigid as reinforced concrete. Anything at all that might pose a threat to that thinking is either wrong, a work of the devil or it is simply ignored.

With others on the forum we could probably have any number of entertaining discussions on free will but, unfortunately, KK is little more than a troll. Probably not a deliberate troll admittedly, but the effect is the same.

As to why people like her are compelled to pester others with their nonsense, there are probably many reasons. They're on a mission from god, god has ordered them to do it, (nice bit of free will there), they feel obligated to save the nasty atheists from hell, they are trying to bolster their own fantasies. Who knows, but you won't stop them easily and reason certainly won't do it.

Good luck on your mission. :)
 
Bri said:
Are you folks really interested in a discussion about free will? Kathy cannot prove free will exists any more than you can disprove it. Science doesn't know whether or not we have free will any more than it knows whether or not God exists. As wrong as Kathy is about most things, she is correct that we all believe things we cannot prove (we generally call these beliefs "opinions").
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I agree with you here Bri, but I think a good case could be made that free will and omnipotence are incompatible.

LLH
 
kurious_kathy said:
Actually I see it a bit differently...I have been made spiritually more alive. I don't buy into all the lies the world can feed us anymore.
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The lies the world feeds "us"?

I'm somewhat confused by this statement, but I'm guessing that what it means is that anything that doesn't have a ready explanation in your interpretation of scripture (or whoever you think is speaking God's word today) is a lie the world is feeding you. Everything that fits your preconceptions is a truth, which of course doesn't come from the WORLD.

The real beauty of this is that you will never ever again have to say "sorry, I was wrong".
 
LordoftheLeftHand said:
I agree with you here Bri, but I think a good case could be made that free will and omnipotence are incompatible.
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It's an interesting topic, but a bit off-topic. There have been several rather lengthy discussions of the compatibility of free will, omnipotence, omniscience, and benevolence in other threads recently. While it seems that it would be easy to prove logically that free will and omnipotence are incompatible, it quickly turns into a much more complex question than you might imagine.

-Bri
 
slingblade said:
Kathy, why are you here?
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I think Kathy sees herself as a martyr. On this forum she is beset on all sides by what she undoubtedly sees as oppression, and probably views herself as a valiant little candle, straining to bring light to a dark and evil place.

My guess is that she thinks that this is a test of her faith, that Gunderscored will give her a hearty high-five for her dogged persistance when they finally meet.

Additionally, I wouldn't doubt that she has alerted fellow churchgoers to read these threads. Like-minded folk who would see the discussions as a bunch of mean, nasty, condecsending atheists who pick on their dear Kathy. If this is the case, it would further reinforce her feeling of martyrdom, and give her a reason to keep on preachin'.

For having absolutely nothing to say other than "God changed my life and makes me real warm inside???" she does spend a lot of time round these parts.

...just my thoughts.
 
money said:
I think Kathy sees herself as a martyr. On this forum she is beset on all sides by what she undoubtedly sees as oppression, and probably views herself as a valiant little candle, straining to bring light to a dark and evil place.
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There is some possibility of this, zealots of all flavours tend to go in for the martyrdom thing, but I think she believes that all she needs to do is continue to preach at us long enough and suddenly we'll all see the error of our ways and, overnight, become good fundamentalists like herself.

Whatever the reasons, it occasionally makes for some entertaining reading. :)
 
AnotherSillyAlias said:
ith others on the forum we could probably have any number of entertaining discussions on free will but, unfortunately, KK is little more than a troll. Probably not a deliberate troll admittedly, but the effect is the same.
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ASA,
I have to disagree, discussions on free will are rarely entertaining. They quickly devolve into obscure logical battles that neither side can satisfactorly prove to the other, and everyone keeps talking past their opposite number.
 
kmortis said:
ASA,
I have to disagree, discussions on free will are rarely entertaining. They quickly devolve into obscure logical battles that neither side can satisfactorly prove to the other, and everyone keeps talking past their opposite number.
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Yeah, well, maybe, but then all sorts of people find all sorts of weird things entertaining. :)
 
I don’t see any evidence Kathy considers herself a martyr. There is evidence, however, that she considers herself a missionary. And, like many a missionary before her, she's stumbled into a culture of which she has little understanding. But unlike the successful missionaries, she has no steel head axes or thundersticks to hoodwink the natives into swallowing her brand of wisdom.

Sorry, Kathy, but you can't buy Manhattan with a string of beads anymore.
 
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