KSM to be tried in NYC

[332nd]

I never implied this.

Oh I see, you don't know what implied means. Let's look at your post.

Not just any one. When have they ever done that? Apparently if the hijackers after 45 minutes aren't waving a banner out of the window of the plane stating "WE HAVE HIJACKED THIS PLANE AND WILL DESTROY ONE OF YOUR AMERICAN FALIC SYMBOLS JUST LIKE WE HAVE ALREADY DONE MULTIPLES TIME TODAY" The US military ain't gonna do jack according to debunkers.

See, when you come up with a such an outrageous scenario, insisting that this would be the only way the military would act, then trying to pawn it off on the people you are arguing against it implies that the military did shoot down the plane. (Also it's a straw man argument... maybe poisioning the well.)

It tends to happen when people's arguments have been crushed or they have been caught up in a bad way. Such as how truthers now have to either defend KSM, admit that AQ was behind the 9/11 attacks, or spin wildly in an effort to distract from the fact that they are willing to let innocent men go to jail so they can keep up this fantasy of an inside job.

 

[TruthersLie]

I would like to take a moment to apologise. I made a very insensitive remark about Islamic extremists. I claimed "They wipe their ass with their hand". Or maybe I said they "Wipe their hand with their ass". Or maybe I said they "ass their hand with their wipe." I don't really remember. Butt in any case I am deeply regretful. I have now realized I should follow the lead of the debunkers here at JREF and have a more compassionate understanding of Islamic extremists. I should not Assume that just because someone is an extremist that they are an idiot and incapable of being a masstermind that could fool the entire US military, it's resources, and strike a mighty blow against the often thought infallible US of A. Please forgive me. I will try more in the future to be just as understanding and compassionate of the Jihadists as JREF debunkers are. You have all inspired me.

BTW what are JREF debunkers doing to set KSM free? He is highly educated and misunderstood. Thanks debunkers. Thanks for showing me the error of my way.

I love ignorant racist twoofs.

Tell me the part that requires extreme training or intelligence to
1. put 5 people on a jet
2. cut up passengers and stewardesses to
3. get into the cockpit
4. kill the pilots
5. fly into buildings

What is sooo hard there?

I love the ignorance with statements like "fool the entire US military." They didn't fool anyone. They were TOO FAST to be caught. How long was the longest hijacked jet in the air? How long did all of the attacks take? It was too fast to react to.

Try again twoof...

 

[TJM]

Wow. Someone in the future now is going to examine my hardrive when they could just have read it all at JREF.

I know it. I say it. Hang me. Whatta ya wanna live forever? Just means more debt.

Things will look brighter tomorrow. Aspirin and water, right now.

 

[TruthersLie]

Not just any one. When have they ever done that? Apparently if the hijackers after 45 minutes aren't waving a banner out of the window of the plane stating "WE HAVE HIJACKED THIS PLANE AND WILL DESTROY ONE OF YOUR AMERICAN FALIC SYMBOLS JUST LIKE WE HAVE ALREADY DONE MULTIPLE TIMES TODAY" The US military ain't gonna do jack according to debunkers.

Oh hi, we have already covered this.

It is simple math, simple geography. Are you ready?

what was the longest any hijacked plane was in the air? Huh?
And when was the US military looking at shooting down hijacked jets? AFter the first tower was hit? After the second tower was hit?

it is called confusion.


Now at the same time, please note
1. there were 14 jets on alert in the ENTIRE US on 9/11.
What does alert mean? It means they are ready to scramble and fully loaded. It can be done in as little as 5 minutes, but in times of peace I'd wager it would be closer to 10 minutes.

So there is 10 minutes down. Now the jet has to get to intercept range of any hijacked jet.

So lets just say 600 Mph for intercept speed (just because it makes the math reallllllly simple). So 600 mph means that after 30 minutes of flight time the interceptor is only 300 miles away from the airbase..

we are now at 40 minutes after being reported hijacked.

How many jets were still in the air after 40 minutes?

Now that is assuming that any of these 14 jets on alert are close to DC. Were they? Come on twoofie, look it up.

 

[TruthersLie]

According to the official 911 narrative, the US military and intel services are a bunch of bumbling buffoons who couldn't find their butts with both hands or hit water if they fell out of a boat. In order to fix this condition, the "Patriot Act" was written, all 1700 pages in about a week, now we are air tight. Several Militarily trained airline pilots were overwhelmed by Arab midgets with cardboard knives. One pilot sat in the back of the plane chewing the fat with Barbara Olson while a couple of 5'3" guys flew his plane along with all the passengers into a building after doing some nifty aerobatic maneuvers. If you believe this....you are not very smart...Thanks

Did you have a nice break? It was soooo quiet with your poor rantings.

lets see
1. there is no such thing as an "official 9/11 narrative." Please provide me with a single link to show there is an "official 9/11 narrative." There is a common narrative of the events which were compiled on 9/11 and afterwards.

2. Military and Intel buffoons? No sorry. It is called a bueracracy and arrogance... they are notoriously bad at things like communication and sharing information. The military is great doing military things with clear communications and directions. Please show me where there were clear policies in place which would have allowed the military to react in under 45 minutes to stop any of the attacks. It should be easy.

3. Patriot act- conflating different issues. But that is normal with your clear truther intelligence.

4. YOu obviously have no idea about the airlines policies when dealing with hijackings pre 9/11. Which said if hijacked do what the hijacker says incase there is a bomb. Nice of the monday morning quarterbacking and personal incredulity noted. Have you ever seen people fighting with box cutters? I have and it isn't pretty and is very savage.

Can you keep someone from slicing your throat if they are behind you and you are stuck in a seated position where you cannot stand up OR turn around? I didn't think so. But maybe when you have your throat cut you can fight them off or do anything besides die. You must be superman.

5. nifty aerobatic maneuvers? Really? the old and very tired hanni couldn't fly that way? Oh poor twoof.

You really should go back to school and try to learn something. It will help out in your future.

 

[Meed]

It really does seem to be their claim that these people could not have done it.

Not only that they could not have done it due to the "Islamic cave-dweller" stereotype, but also that they don't deserve any sympathy for being falsely executed (due to the same stereotype perhaps??)

I have no doubt this is a bad guy and I don't care if they give him the guillotine.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I should not Assume that just because someone is an extremist that they are an idiot and incapable of being a masstermind that could fool the entire US military, it's resources, and strike a mighty blow against the often thought infallible US of A.

This is a classic insight into the mindset of the conspiracy theorist. Algebra34 is taking a statement that is, to anybody sane, so clearly true as to be trivially obvious: it is possible for religious extremists to plan and execute terrorist operations intelligently and effectively. And yet, he is presenting it as an ironic statement, on the basis that he clearly believes it to be self-evidently absurd. He's like the lunatic at the bus stop, pointing at the sky, and saying, "So you think that's blue, huh? Well just look at it. Yeah, right, sure it's blue. Anyone can see it's yellow!" His vision of the world is so detached from reality that he's reached a point where he's almost incapable of communicating with normal people, because his starting assumptions are so obviously and idiotically wrong.

And he goes on in the same vein.

BTW what are JREF debunkers doing to set KSM free? He is highly educated and misunderstood.

In what way, exactly, are debunkers misunderstanding KSM? Yes, he's highly educated. He also conspired to cause the deaths of thousands of innocent people, and is proud of the fact. Why should his education make him less of a murderer?

We sometimes ask what planet these people are on. It's not much of an exaggeration; their view of reality is so distorted, they might as well live in a separate world.

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

Not just any one. When have they ever done that? Apparently if the hijackers after 45 minutes aren't waving a banner out of the window of the plane stating "WE HAVE HIJACKED THIS PLANE AND WILL DESTROY ONE OF YOUR AMERICAN FALIC SYMBOLS JUST LIKE WE HAVE ALREADY DONE MULTIPLE TIMES TODAY" The US military ain't gonna do jack according to debunkers.

And if they did do all that, the conspiracy theorists would point out that no terrorists in history have ever done such a thing before, so it's obvious that it's a false flag attack designed to provoke an invasion of Afghanistan, destroy American civil liberties and promote the racial stereotype that Arabs are too stupid to know how to spell "phallic".

Dave

 

[Travis]

Am I to take it, Algebra34, that you think it would have been a normal response to shoot down a hijacked jetliner?

I mean, let's assume that the F-15's from Otis go trough a time warp or something and they actually arrived just off the tail of American 11 while it was still north of New York, what would they have done? Shoot it down even though, at that time, no one was really sure the plane was really hijacked? I mean, seriously, what could they have done?

 

[Dave Rogers]

Not even close to the "official narrative" why are you lying?

I don't think he's lying at all. He's said what he believes the official narrative is. He's then said that anyone who believes what he believes is not very smart. Where's the lie?

Dave

 

[TexasJack]

Am I to take it, Algebra34, that you think it would have been a normal response to shoot down a hijacked jetliner?

I mean, let's assume that the F-15's from Otis go trough a time warp or something and they actually arrived just off the tail of American 11 while it was still north of New York, what would they have done? Shoot it down even though, at that time, no one was really sure the plane was really hijacked? I mean, seriously, what could they have done?

Not only that, even if they knew the plane was hijacked, how many times prior to 9/11 was it used as a missile? Hijacked planes were always expected to land.

Of course in Algebra34's world, this is nothing the likes an Arab like KSM could ever imagine.

 

[Travis]

I don't really think they are necessarily racist. I think the thought progression goes like this: movies/TV has led them to expect that the US had squadrons of fighters patrolling the skies looking for bad things. There were missile batteries everywhere that could be unleashed and of course the whole thing is controlled from some super base somewhere with the huge monitors that display realtime video feeds from orbiting satellites that are, of course, everywhere. This uber-competent and all knowing super-military could never have been defeated by anyone. So, a successful attack can only mean one thing....it stood down and allowed them to succeed.

Now we know that is all hogwash. We know that the military was a very powerful organization that was, unfortunately, still postured, procured and trained for a WW3 type scenario with another nation state and that the terrorists, who were not dummies, knew this and exploited it.

 

[kookbreaker]

BTW what are JREF debunkers doing to set KSM free? He is highly educated and misunderstood.

Ted Bundy was all that and charming to boot. Does that mean anyone with reasoning power is sad he is dead?

I've looked over this thread and you really, really, really are not very good at this.

 

[T.A.M.]

Mosear Caned

lol, are you Nico Haupt?

more ridiculousness. Got any facts? Got any REAL evidence?

Didn't think so. You couldn't school anyone here on anything.

TAM

 

[TruthersLie]

lol, are you Nico Haupt?

more ridiculousness. Got any facts? Got any REAL evidence?

Didn't think so. You couldn't school anyone here on anything.

TAM

Based on his attempts here, I really do think he would have trouble teaching a bird how to fall out of a nest, or teaching fish how to swim.

 

[carlitos]

Originally Posted by jmh423
According to the official 911 narrative, the US military and intel services are a bunch of bumbling buffoons who couldn't find their butts with both hands or hit water if they fell out of a boat. In order to fix this condition, the "Patriot Act" was written, all 1700 pages in about a week, now we are air tight. Several Militarily trained airline pilots were overwhelmed by Arab midgets with cardboard knives. One pilot sat in the back of the plane chewing the fat with Barbara Olson while a couple of 5'3" guys flew his plane along with all the passengers into a building after doing some nifty aerobatic maneuvers. If you believe this....you are not very smart...Thanks

You think that a box-cutter or Stanley knife is made of cardboard, and that the hijackers were midgets? If you believe this....you are not very smart.

Specific to the knives, I'd suggest that you walk around after dark in the wrong parts of Glasgow sometime.

 

[tsig]

Argument from personal beliefs noticed.

Can you point to another incident where the US military, or any portion thereof, have intercepted a plane within the time frame you believe is acceptable??


I'll wait.

Well, when you look back on it it's obvious what they should have done so it's their fault they didn't act exactly like I think they should have.

 

[tsig]

You think that a box-cutter or Stanley knife is made of cardboard, and that the hijackers were midgets? If you believe this....you are not very smart.

Specific to the knives, I'd suggest that you walk around after dark in the wrong parts of Glasgow sometime.

Interesting evolution of terms:

boxcutter>cardboard cutter>cardboard knife

with each term lessening the threat level.

It seems they want to minimize the threat in order to make the hijacking look more impossible.

 

[carlitos]

Interesting evolution of terms:

boxcutter>cardboard cutter>cardboard knife

with each term lessening the threat level.

It seems They want to minimize the threat in order to make the hijacking look more impossible.

fixed that for you.

Not to mention:
Degreed engineers>arabs in caves>"midgets"

 

[Whiplash]

The "shoot the planes down" scenario is also a no-win situation. I doubt anyone believes that, had Bush ordered the planes to be shot down, that there would be even less controversy today. It would be WORSE! It'd be even more of an "inside job" mentality, if nothing else happened but planes being shot down. No attacks anywhere.. instead of heroically saving those thousands of lives at ground zero and the pentagon, it'd be "OMG, BUSH SHOT DOWN CIVILIAN PLANES BECAUSE THEY WERE SUPPOSEDLY "HIJACKED"!!1". "OMG WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?" "BUSH KILLED HUNDREDS OF CIVILIANS FOR NO REASON!!".

This is just a complete no win situation. Those who are inclined to believe in madness will always find some form of madness to embrace.