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Kony

Primus said:
Something must be done

This is something

This must be done.

The above is a fallacy, doing something isn't automatically better than doing nothing.

Kony hasn't been seen in Uganda since 2006. To me this just looks like a well oiled fundraiser for the Ugandan army.
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So what do you think should be done?
 
psionl0 said:
Primus has already done it.

He has pointed out that this is as logical as saying,
"All cats have 4 legs"
"My dog has 4 legs"
"Therefore ..."
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Posting straw men is what's to be done?
 
psionl0 said:
Primus has already done it.

He has pointed out that this is as logical as saying,
"All cats have 4 legs"
"My dog has 4 legs"
"Therefore ..."
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I think I've forgotten how to speak English because I have no idea how this answers that I asked.

It's either that or I have to accept that Scrut has given an answer to what I said that makes more sense than another poster.
 
knowyourmeme.com has a pretty good writeup on this, with some skepticism of invisible children mentioned.
 
psionl0 said:
JREF exists to point out logical fallacies.

This whole thing reeks of "social experiment" so I doubt that anything else needs to be done anyway (unless you want to be a lab rat).
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A logical fallacy that the people in the OP did not commit. So I'll continue to point out your, and his, straw man.
 
tyr_13 said:
A logical fallacy that the people in the OP did not commit. So I'll continue to point out your, and his, straw man.
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Questions such as, "Does anyone have any more information on this and what are your thoughts?" are not usually considered logically fallacious.

The logical question came from an interchange between Wildy and Primus and I just stuck my nose in.
 
Neither Wildy nor Primus committed the logical fallacy you mentioned, although Primus did create a straw man. This exchange is getting oddly close to non sequiter as well...
 
tyr_13 said:
Neither Wildy nor Primus committed the logical fallacy you mentioned, although Primus did create a straw man. This exchange is getting oddly close to non sequiter as well...
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So, strawman it is. I still don't intend to get on the band wagon just because the rest of the world suddenly has a new cause.
 
tyr_13 said:
Neither Wildy nor Primus committed the logical fallacy you mentioned, although Primus did create a straw man. This exchange is getting oddly close to non sequiter as well...
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I fail to see where the straw man was. I was quoting the guy who wrote the Visible Children blog.

Is awareness good? Yes. But these problems are highly complex, not one-dimensional and, frankly, aren’t of the nature that can be solved by postering, film-making and changing your Facebook profile picture, as hard as that is to swallow. Giving your money and public support to Invisible Children so they can spend it on funding ill-advised violent intervention and movie #12 isn’t helping. Do I have a better answer? No, I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it’s something. Something isn’t always better than nothing. Sometimes it’s worse.
I saw the quote, it resonated with my opinion, hence me quoting it (albeit badly) and then when questioned I expanded on why I agreed with it.

Fine if you don't agree but don't be so quick to shout strawman at people.
 
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Wildy said:
So what do you think should be done?
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I don't have a better suggestion. I'm not going to look for one either as I don't especially care about the charity or the cause.

That doesn't mean there aren't a host of better ways to help. Unless of course I'm held in such high regard that if I can't think of something then no-one can.
 
The first step towards something helpful surely is public awareness. As I said early in the thread, this guy is sadly not news, but has escaped public attention for some reason.

I just can't see what's wrong with bringing something like this up, and spreading the word around. I have no idea why some people are so hostile towards even just that for this guy.
 
Primus said:
I don't have a better suggestion. I'm not going to look for one either as I don't especially care about the charity or the cause.
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So "awareness" which is part of what this campaign is about is a poor way to help?

That doesn't mean there aren't a host of better ways to help.
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Such as?

Ryokan said:
The first step towards something helpful surely is public awareness. As I said early in the thread, this guy is sadly not news, but has escaped public attention for some reason.

I just can't see what's wrong with bringing something like this up, and spreading the word around. I have no idea why some people are so hostile towards even just that for this guy.
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Well depending on who you ask, apparently this campaign is racist because it's white people trying to help black people and that's bad or something. Or that because they aren't operating in Uganda any more it's not a problem.

Quite frankly it confuses me too.

psionl0 said:
Why should we get all worked up about Kony and not care about evil dictators like Robert Mugabe?
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I must have missed the part where they said "don't care about Mugabe because he's all right".
 
Ryokan said:
The first step towards something helpful surely is public awareness. As I said early in the thread, this guy is sadly not news, but has escaped public attention for some reason.

I just can't see what's wrong with bringing something like this up, and spreading the word around. I have no idea why some people are so hostile towards even just that for this guy.
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In this case I disagree.

The movie itself flat out said Obama sent troops. Now if they were withdrawing, then the movie would be fine. So I fail to see the point of public awareness since solutions are on the way.

This guy has child soldiers. A public manhunt risks those children's lives. You want to get him without accidentally killing the kids. A stealthy covert operation that catches him off guard seems ideal.

I doubt Bin Laden was chilling in front of the TV immediately after 9-11.

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But his infamy couldn't be helped cause he made it a public event. If we want to covertly get someone, making them public enemy number 1 is the worst way to do it.
 
Wildy said:
I must have missed the part where they said "don't care about Mugabe because he's all right".
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I'm tempted to have a go at you over the words you added to my quote but you missed the point anyhow.

Why get in a sweat over one bad guy and not another?
 
Ryokan said:
The first step towards something helpful surely is public awareness. As I said early in the thread, this guy is sadly not news, but has escaped public attention for some reason.

I just can't see what's wrong with bringing something like this up, and spreading the word around. I have no idea why some people are so hostile towards even just that for this guy.
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Because it's being purpertrated by "KONY2012" that you can help by donating to Invisible Children, which is a farce. Awareness is good. Abusing it for your own cause, bad.
 
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