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Reivax

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I just did a search on the forum and could not find any threads or posts on the matter yet.

I just recently found out about this through Facebook as it started filling up my news feed. In short, it is an effort that is taking place to bring about awareness of a criminal who trains children into soldiers among other horrible things.

The following is posted on the site.

JOSEPH KONY IS ONE OF THE WORLD’S WORST WAR CRIMINALS AND I SUPPORT THE INTERNATIONAL EFFORT TO ARREST HIM, DISARM THE LRA AND BRING THE CHILD SOLDIERS HOME.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kony2012/kony-4.html

Does anyone have any more information on this and what are your thoughts?

Thanks!
 
I think Kony will stop what he's doing if enough people sign an Internet petition.

He will then retire to Kony Island.
 
Its hype. The roots of the campaign are good, and its followers also have good intentions, but the people that are using this now have questionable motives. This is going to be massive, I've never seen something go as viral as quickly as this, its all over facebook and youtube.

‎"I do not doubt for a second that those involved in KONY 2012 have great intentions, nor do I doubt for a second that Joseph Kony is a very evil man. But despite this, I’m strongly opposed to the KONY 2012 campaign.

KONY 2012 is the product of a group called Invisible Children, a controversial activist group and not-for-profit. They’ve released 11 films, most with an accompanying bracelet colour (KONY 2012 is fittingly red), all of which focus on Joseph Kony. When we buy merch from them, when we link to their video, when we put up posters linking to their website, we support the organization. I don’t think that’s a good thing, and I’m not alone.

Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 31% went to their charity program (page 6)*. This is far from ideal, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/4 stars because they haven’t had their finances externally audited. But it goes way deeper than that.

The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money funds the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission.

Still, the bulk of Invisible Children’s spending isn’t on funding African militias, but on awareness and filmmaking. Which can be great, except that Foreign Affairs has claimed that Invisible Children (among others) “manipulates facts for strategic purposes, exaggerating the scale of LRA abductions and murders and emphasizing the LRA’s use of innocent children as soldiers, and portraying Kony — a brutal man, to be sure — as uniquely awful, a Kurtz-like embodiment of evil.” He’s certainly evil, but exaggeration and manipulation to capture the public eye is unproductive, unprofessional and dishonest.

As Christ Blattman, a political scientist at Yale, writes on the topic of IC’s programming, “There’s also something inherently misleading, naive, maybe even dangerous, about the idea of rescuing children or saving of Africa. […] It hints uncomfortably of the White Man’s Burden. Worse, sometimes it does more than hint. The savior attitude is pervasive in advocacy, and it inevitably shapes programming. Usually misconceived programming.”

Still, Kony’s a bad guy, and he’s been around a while. Which is why the US has been involved in stopping him for years. U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) has sent multiple missions to capture or kill Kony over the years. And they’ve failed time and time again, each provoking a ferocious response and increased retaliative slaughter. The issue with taking out a man who uses a child army is that his bodyguards are children. Any effort to capture or kill him will almost certainly result in many children’s deaths, an impact that needs to be minimized as much as possible. Each attempt brings more retaliation. And yet Invisible Children funds this military intervention. Kony has been involved in peace talks in the past, which have fallen through. But Invisible Children is now focusing on military intervention.

Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re helping fund the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. If people know this and still support Invisible Children because they feel it’s the best solution based on their knowledge and research, I have no issue with that. But I don’t think most people are in that position, and that’s a problem.

Is awareness good? Yes. But these problems are highly complex, not one-dimensional and, frankly, aren’t of the nature that can be solved by postering, film-making and changing your Facebook profile picture, as hard as that is to swallow. Giving your money and public support to Invisible Children so they can spend it on funding ill-advised violent intervention and movie #12 isn’t helping. Do I have a better answer? No, I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it’s something. Something isn’t always better than nothing. Sometimes it’s worse.

If you want to write to your Member of Parliament or your Senator or the President or the Prime Minister, by all means, go ahead. If you want to post about Joseph Kony’s crimes on Facebook, go ahead. But let’s keep it about Joseph Kony, not KONY 2012.

~ Grant Oyston, visiblechildren@grantoyston.com

Grant Oyston is a sociology and political science student at Acadia University in Nova Scotia, Canada."
 
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"so this photo of the invisible children film-makers, who created the #Kony2012 video, just about sums it up"
 
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This is insane ... just done a Google analytics on "Kony 2012" ... whoa. This much attention on one particular very political issue is unprecedented.
 
Kony and Lord's Resistance Army, a Christian terrorist organizaton, is sadly old news, but I'm glad to see it's finally getting some mainstream attention.

This is the guy that Obama was criticized for last year, for sending US troops to fight against him - Because Lord's Resistance Army is a Christian organization. You're supposed to fight Muslims, not Christians!
 
You're supposed to fight Muslims, not Christians!


This made me chuckle.

But their black! They must be muslim ... :rolleyes:

If this sudden public awareness is dealt with in a careful manner much good could come of this. The above posts I quoted are the cynical view.
 
This is the guy that Obama was criticized for last year, for sending US troops to fight against him - Because Lord's Resistance Army is a Christian organization.

Most notably by some guy called Rush Limbaugh.


If this Reddit thread is correct the author has admitted that there is a mistake in the quoted passage from Zeuzzz:

grantO said:
Well caught. This post had a target audience of <100 of my friends who I sent it to, and it went viral (over 50K views in less than five hours). I got a lot of feedback, and removed contentious statements such as the one you mention in most places. You are correct – I missed that one. I have now removed it.

IC is very vague about what their "programming funds" actually pays for. We do know that they are supporters of the Ugandan armed forces – but they aren't too clear on whether this extends to financial support. I'm hoping IC will respond to me. I'll post if/when I hear from them.

The current version of what Zeuzzz posted is here.


If I understand the video part of what they are trying to do is keep up the pressure to stop the US Government from pulling the plug on their assistance to Uganda. I would assume that for people based in the US this would mean that you could just write to your elected representatives or the representatives that they would like you to contact and still help out without giving them money.
 
I just did a search on the forum and could not find any threads or posts on the matter yet.

I just recently found out about this through Facebook as it started filling up my news feed. In short, it is an effort that is taking place to bring about awareness of a criminal who trains children into soldiers among other horrible things.

The following is posted on the site.



http://s3.amazonaws.com/kony2012/kony-4.html

Does anyone have any more information on this and what are your thoughts?

Thanks!
http://youtu.be/Y4MnpzG5Sqc

Watch this video on it...^ It explains everything (made by the guy behind the movement). Crazy thing is this video had about ~150,000 views when I watched it yesterday. Now it has 9 million. :eye-poppi

EDIT: Just noticed the video was in the link in the OP.
 
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I thought you guys were exaggerating about how many people were going on about it. I just had a quick look on Facebook and loads of people I know are all posting links to the video.

It's very hard once a group reaches a certain size to convince them they are being taken for a ride.

As the dude in the blog said, the main response is "well should we just do nothing then?"

Please don't want to hear that the answer to the question is "yes if that's the best you've got, do nothing"."
 
It's very hard once a group reaches a certain size to convince them they are being taken for a ride.

That's assuming that they are being taken for a ride.

As the dude in the blog said, the main response is "well should we just do nothing then?"

Please don't want to hear that the answer to the question is "yes if that's the best you've got, do nothing"."

Why though?
 
That's assuming that they are being taken for a ride.



Why though?

Well as a general rule any activity involving the DRC (kony is unlikely to be in Uganda) will be decidely unpleasent .
 
That's assuming that they are being taken for a ride.



Why though?

Something must be done

This is something

This must be done.


The above is a fallacy, doing something isn't automatically better than doing nothing.

Kony hasn't been seen in Uganda since 2006. To me this just looks like a well oiled fundraiser for the Ugandan army.
 
Kony hasn't been seen in Uganda since 2006.

So? They mention that in the movie. He's still up to his old tricks, should they stop trying to stop him because he's moved in to other countries?

To me this just looks like a well oiled fundraiser for the Ugandan army.

How, given none of the money is going to the Ugandan army?

Anyway, it's an extremely interesting social movement that has apparently *already* had great success in getting US boots on the ground in the region. I'm not sure if this sudden huge viral wave is going to add much more other than just keep the focus going and act as an experiment for future social actions.

Is this the face of a real "new world order"? Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, now this?

ETA: here by the way is their response to many of the criticisms that have been posted in the past 24 hours.
 
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http://youtu.be/Y4MnpzG5Sqc

Watch this video on it...^ It explains everything (made by the guy behind the movement). Crazy thing is this video had about ~150,000 views when I watched it yesterday. Now it has 9 million. :eye-poppi

EDIT: Just noticed the video was in the link in the OP.
Ok now the Kony youtube vid has damn near 39 million views. :eye-poppi This is going to be legendary in terms of "viralism".
 
I just did a search on the forum and could not find any threads or posts on the matter yet.

I just recently found out about this through Facebook as it started filling up my news feed. In short, it is an effort that is taking place to bring about awareness of a criminal who trains children into soldiers among other horrible things.

The following is posted on the site.



http://s3.amazonaws.com/kony2012/kony-4.html

Does anyone have any more information on this and what are your thoughts?

Thanks!
No, but I would not bother arresting him - just tie him up, put him up over a nice fire and roast him v e r y slow.........ly.
 
Justin Bieber's Baby has 714 million views.
Bieber is a triumph of marketing. Not viralism. ;) Not to mention I believe that song was released at least a few years ago. If Biebs was relatively unknown and got as many views as this Kony 2012 in a matter of days i'd be impressed.
 

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