Kirk Cameron Pays Gang Members to Preach to Them

[Jon.]

Is it me or does Kirk take on slight (and intermittent) Spanish accent in that video?

I got the impression that, at times, he was trying to sound like the people he was talking to. Perhaps that's what you picked up on.

 

[lolurigeller]

The problem with these witnessing videos is they are probalbly omitting the very satisfying and amusing one's were they they get completely debunked and beaten in a discussion by more intelligent people they are trying to convert.

Hell I'd wish they would try to convert me, that would be so much fun.

 

[kurious_kathy]

Kirk Cameron also thinks he has physical evidence to proof God exists. Or something.

Oh really? could you share a little more in detail about that?

I myself like Kirk and think he is doing a good work in serving the Lord.

Sin is real and everyone needs to acknowlege that. I think you can see evidence of what sin does in peoples lives and even that reveals the truth about God's word being true. The people that deny that evidence are living in total denial!

 

[Tanstaafl]

I guess you missed the televised debate between Kirk with Ray Comfort on one side, and the Rational Response Squad on the other.

Cameron and Comfort claimed to have iron-clad proof of God's existence that didn't refer to the Bible. All they had was the old watchmaker claim. From there they immediately went into their standard "have you ever told a lie" spiel.

 

[LibraryLady]

Oh really? could you share a little more in detail about that?

I myself like Kirk and think he is doing a good work in serving the Lord.

Sin is real and everyone needs to acknowlege that. I think you can see evidence of what sin does in peoples lives and even that reveals the truth about God's word being true. The people that deny that evidence are living in total denial!

Oh, good. She's back.

 

[TheAntiLuddite]

Sin is real and everyone needs to acknowlege that. I think you can see evidence of what sin does in peoples lives and even that reveals the truth about God's word being true. The people that deny that evidence are living in total denial!

(I'll bite.)

You see what you want to see to support your religious indoctrination.

If I decide to do drugs and start shooting up, my behavior places me at an increased risk for infection, overdose, robbery, loss of my career and possessions--all the ingredients for a drastically reduced quality of life followed by a premature death. These are the logical--and more importantly, perfectly natural--consequences of extremely irresponsible behavior. Your deity doesn't factor into this equation. An addict lying dead in a gutter may serve as evidence for many things, but not for your imaginary supernatural being or the "wages of sin". One of the problems I have with Christianity in general is the dearth of personal accountability among its adherents: everything is either the fault of sin or Satan rather than stupid decisions. But then again, most religions frown on critical thinking; they want weak, needy, broken people who believe they are powerless to take control of their own lives. Such people are more than willing to fork over cash to buy "protection" from the Great God Guido. You have to wonder if these people ever consider the fact that their deity of choice bears more than a striking resemblance to a strongarm racketeer.

My guess would be no. Such thoughts are "of the Devil".

 

[strathmeyer]

I myself like Kirk and think he is doing a good work in serving the Lord.

Can you explain what work Kirk has done that you consider good? Because all we hear about is how he is going to show up on TV and prove that his god exists without using the Bible. Then he uses the Bible and trots out the same arguments that people have already explained to him are wrong. Then after the debate he claims that he has won.

Can you explain how that is good? Usually in society lying and cheating are considered wrong. And when you support bad people, it just makes you look like a bad person.

 

[Cleon]

Can you explain what work Kirk has done that you consider good?

She's all about the banana.

 

[Tanstaafl]

Well it is shaped perfectly for human use, isn't it?

 

[Miss Anthrope]

Cleon and Tanstaafl- you rock.

Kathy-

 

[Miss Anthrope]

(I'll bite.)

You see what you want to see to support your religious indoctrination.

If I decide to do drugs and start shooting up, my behavior places me at an increased risk for infection, overdose, robbery, loss of my career and possessions--all the ingredients for a drastically reduced quality of life followed by a premature death. These are the logical--and more importantly, perfectly natural--consequences of extremely irresponsible behavior. Your deity doesn't factor into this equation. An addict lying dead in a gutter may serve as evidence for many things, but not for your imaginary supernatural being or the "wages of sin". One of the problems I have with Christianity in general is the dearth of personal accountability among its adherents: everything is either the fault of sin or Satan rather than stupid decisions. But then again, most religions frown on critical thinking; they want weak, needy, broken people who believe they are powerless to take control of their own lives. Such people are more than willing to fork over cash to buy "protection" from the Great God Guido. You have to wonder if these people ever consider the fact that their deity of choice bears more than a striking resemblance to a strongarm racketeer.

My guess would be no. Such thoughts are "of the Devil".

Nominated.

Also, glad you had a nice, sensible reply! (Not capable presently due to flabbergastation)

 

[kurious_kathy]

(I'll bite.)

You see what you want to see to support your religious indoctrination.

If I decide to do drugs and start shooting up, my behavior places me at an increased risk for infection, overdose, robbery, loss of my career and possessions--all the ingredients for a drastically reduced quality of life followed by a premature death. These are the logical--and more importantly, perfectly natural--consequences of extremely irresponsible behavior. Your deity doesn't factor into this equation. An addict lying dead in a gutter may serve as evidence for many things, but not for your imaginary supernatural being or the "wages of sin". One of the problems I have with Christianity in general is the dearth of personal accountability among its adherents: everything is either the fault of sin or Satan rather than stupid decisions. But then again, most religions frown on critical thinking; they want weak, needy, broken people who believe they are powerless to take control of their own lives. Such people are more than willing to fork over cash to buy "protection" from the Great God Guido. You have to wonder if these people ever consider the fact that their deity of choice bears more than a striking resemblance to a strongarm racketeer.

My guess would be no. Such thoughts are "of the Devil".

People have three enemies, the world , the flesh, and the devil.

Okay lets define pleasing the flesh. It is a stronghold for most humans to want to do whatever pleases them and guess what the world is right there saying yah, yah, if it feels good do it because you only live once.... this is a big fat lie, people die a physical death once and if you don't receive Christ's forgiveness the second death will be worse that the first which is the spiritual one.

Make no mistakes God means business and no one gets out of the punishment of the wages of sin is death. There's proof right there, everybody dies just like God said! Except for a couple people mentioned in scripture like Enoch and Elijah. God must of been pretty pleased with them to let them escape the sentence of death.

 

[Miss Anthrope]

People have three enemies, the world , the flesh, and the devil.

Okay lets define pleasing the flesh. It is a stronghold for most humans to want to do whatever pleases them and guess what the world is right there saying yah, yah, if it feels good do it because you only live once.... this is a big fat lie, people die a physical death once and if you don't receive Christ's forgiveness the second death will be worse that the first which is the spiritual one.

Make no mistakes God means business and no one gets out of the punishment of the wages of sin is death. There's proof right there, everybody dies just like God said! Except for a couple people mentioned in scripture like Enoch and Elijah. God must of been pretty pleased with them to let them escape the sentence of death.

All stories from a 2000 year old book written by mere mortals. If everything about this "awesome god" were true, IT certainly wouldn't need defending, would it now?
Thanks for playing.

 

[strathmeyer]

Make no mistakes God means business and no one gets out of the punishment of the wages of sin is death. There's proof right there, everybody dies just like God said! Except for a couple people mentioned in scripture like Enoch and Elijah. God must of been pretty pleased with them to let them escape the sentence of death.

Why do you want us to be punished? Why won't you stop it? Doesn't that make you a bad person?

 

[kurious_kathy]

Why do you want us to be punished? Why won't you stop it? Doesn't that make you a bad person?

I don't want anyone to be punished, that's the point. If you receive Christ you won't stand before the great throne of judgemnet, you stand before Christ and your place in heaven will be determined by how you lived your life for Christ. Jesus makes promises to reward those who follow him but that's not the big deal, salvation is. There I'm done I just want what Kirk wants for people to have the chance to go to heaven instead of hell!

 

[Miss Anthrope]

I don't want anyone to be punished, that's the point. If you receive Christ you won't stand before the great throne of judgemnet, you stand before Christ and your place in heaven will be determined by how you lived your life for Christ. Jesus makes promises to reward those who follow him but that's not the big deal, salvation is. There I'm done I just want what Kirk wants for people to have the chance to go to heaven instead of hell!

Sorry, it sounds like god is playing some cosmic game for his own amusement, and doesn't mind condemning people to eternal torture simply for failing to believe in something that has absolutely no proof.

There are names for beings like that.

Megalomaniac comes to mind.

 

[TheAntiLuddite]

Here's a tip: if you're going to quote a post, proper forum etiquette suggests that you address something in the original post. Let me demonstrate:

People have three enemies, the world , the flesh, and the devil.

And who created these three things?

Most believers have a pathological compulsion to rationalize the immoral behavior of their deities. For the sake of the argument, let's assume that the Christian viewpoint is true. I then reiterate, who created the world, the flesh and the Devil? Let's go to your penultimate source of wisdom, the Holy Bible, the literal Word of God itself:

(Isaiah 45:7, KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

(Amos 3:6) - "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?"

Given these explicit statements, how do you rationalize these verses with your desire to lay blame for human misery on everything but the Creator itself? Allow me to remove one oft-used excuse from the board for you, the word-game idea that there was a mistranslation and "evil" as used here really means "natural" evil, i.e. hurricanes, volcanos, earthquakes--so called "Acts of God". That's not how the verses read. If the Bible is the literal Word of God, then there are no mistakes in the text and what is written is exactly what the deity wanted to be written, regardless of the translation.

There's proof right there, everybody dies just like God said! Except for a couple people mentioned in scripture like Enoch and Elijah. God must of been pretty pleased with them to let them escape the sentence of death.

Ah, I see. That's because Enoch and Elijah never forgot to pay their protection racket money. Some sources claim that Enoch later transfigured into the angel Metatron (continuing with the Mafia analogy, he became a "made man"), responsible for issuing the Godfather's marching orders to lesser beings.

 

[VulcanWay]

For the sake of the argument, let's assume that the Christian viewpoint is true. I then reiterate, who created the world, the flesh and the Devil?

Also, biblically speaking, it is indisputable that god created the devil. Only one entity has the power of creation in the bible. Period. If the devil could create even a single thing it would be god.

Just because this debate triggered a thought that I've had for a while, I'll incorporate it here.

The devil is seen as a deceiver and the Christian god is largely (lately) seen as not interacting with the world. What if the "word of god" is actually the "word of the devil"? Wouldn't that be the ultimate deception?

 

[Tanstaafl]

Sorry, it sounds like god is playing some cosmic game for his own amusement, and doesn't mind condemning people to eternal torture simply for failing to believe in something that has absolutely no proof.

There are names for beings like that.

Megalomaniac comes to mind.

Certainly sadist comes to mind.

Let's see, we have to believe that god became his own son so he could be tortured for a weekend, and if we believe that god will save us from his own wrath. Makes sense to me.

 

[Azure]

But do they let their slaves rest too??

Sorry, my original post there was very illogical - of course there are some out there that follow that commandment. I let some frustration get in there, so thanks for noting it, MA.

Its also a bit illogical that you assume each Christian is 'fundamental' in their belief.

Exodus is from the Old Testament...Christianity if from the New Testament.

But its alright...I know a lot of atheists, or non-theists that make the same mistake.