Keyes vs. Obama
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Patrick said:
But he is an idiot.
hgc said:
I said it was an imperfect analogy. But 4 years in 1830 was pretty quick too... that's about how long it took to get a letter from Chicago to Springfield.
Er, and of course carpetbaggers per se were still 40 in the future so perhaps that's why he was never labeled as such.
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Patrick said:
Then why did you criticize Obama for it?
Then why did you criticize Obama for it?
You're right - I mispoke.
What I should have said is Obama has no experience dealing with the kinds of issues the senate deals with - national and international in scope. That Keyes dealt with these issue in a national government role other than the senate is a minor issue. That Obama never dealt with them at all is a big issue.
You're right - I mispoke.
What I should have said is Obama has no experience dealing with the kinds of issues the senate deals with - national and international in scope. That Keyes dealt with these issue in a national government role other than the senate is a minor issue. That Obama never dealt with them at all is a big issue.
Patrick said:
Boy, are you ignorant. If that's you're conception of how the Senate works and the nature of the bills they pass, what can I say except take some basic Poli-Sci courses.
You're right, state legislatures never enact laws dealing with health care, gay marriage, abortion, education, transportation and commerce...I could go on.
Please, expound on that assertion.
How to pronounce the state's name correctly, for one thing.
From your ignorant and blatantly racists statements re Obama and the Harvard Law Review, I'm not at all surprised this is the best criticism you can come up with.
Are you referring to his two failed runs for Senate? Or maybe the time he was shut out of the Republican primary debates? It seems that Keyes' status in the "big pond" is hovering somewhere just below plankton.
And twice now you've completely ignored my request that you support your position that Keyes is a "rising star." Do you still think he is a rising star? Or will you simply admit you were wrong to make that claim? C'mon, no one will think less if you if you admit you were wrong. You can keep ignoring the issue, but please don't think youre actually fooling anyone.
Mike
Yes, I have. And if Ted Kennedy ever decides to try to run for office in Alabama, he will almost certainly be ridiculed for his inability to pronounce the name of the state in which he presumes to run for public office.
Since, instead, Kennedy runs for public office in Massachusetts -- the state in which he resides, and where a great many other people pronounce Alabama the same way he does -- his mispronunciation draws no ridicule from the people to whom he is appealing for votes. If anything, it likely demonstrates to them that he is, at least in the way he speaks, one of them.
People like to know that a person who is going to be representing them understands what their particular state is like, what their lives and livelihoods are like, what problems their state faces, what things they are proud of and what things they would just as soon put behind them. How a person pronounces the name of the state is not the most important indicator that a person understands these things, but it is an indicator.
Nice. Keyes manages to liken himself to both the 9/11 firefighters and Abraham Lincoln in the same breath. 
Mike
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/09/keyes.illinois/index.html
"I had no thought of coming to Illinois to run until the people here in the state party decided there was a need. Just as people faced with a flood, or people in the case of 9/11, would call on folks, firefighters and others to help them deal with the crisis that they were faced with.
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But I think when you have a candidate like Barack Obama who has turned his back on the principles of our national union, you have to stand in defense of those principles just as Lincoln did in the run-up to the Civil War. He understood that our respect for state sovereignty must be limited by our commitment to defending the principles of our national union. And that's what I am doing."
Mike
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/09/keyes.illinois/index.html
"I had no thought of coming to Illinois to run until the people here in the state party decided there was a need. Just as people faced with a flood, or people in the case of 9/11, would call on folks, firefighters and others to help them deal with the crisis that they were faced with.
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But I think when you have a candidate like Barack Obama who has turned his back on the principles of our national union, you have to stand in defense of those principles just as Lincoln did in the run-up to the Civil War. He understood that our respect for state sovereignty must be limited by our commitment to defending the principles of our national union. And that's what I am doing."
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Uh-huh.
Here's what you should not be doing: signing any long-term leases up IL way.
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mfeldman said:Nice. Keyes manages to liken himself to both the 9/11 firefighters and Abraham Lincoln in the same breath.
Mike
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/09/keyes.illinois/index.html
"I had no thought of coming to Illinois to run until the people here in the state party decided there was a need. Just as people faced with a flood, or people in the case of 9/11, would call on folks, firefighters and others to help them deal with the crisis that they were faced with.
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But I think when you have a candidate like Barack Obama who has turned his back on the principles of our national union, you have to stand in defense of those principles just as Lincoln did in the run-up to the Civil War. He understood that our respect for state sovereignty must be limited by our commitment to defending the principles of our national union. And that's what I am doing."
Naaahhh....in the first quote he likens the *situation* to a crisis, and 9/11 is an *example* he gives of a crisis...where did he say that he personally shared any quality with the 9/11 firefighters except for responding to a call?
He could have said that he responded to people's calls 'like a Domino's delivery driver', but it just wouldn't have had the same effect.
Second quote likens his commitment to a unified country to Lincoln's often stated view...where did he say that he personally was another Lincoln?
Again, he could have said that he shared Jefferson Davis' vision for the country, but it probably wouldn't have been as stirring...and Lord knows all the really stirring mottoes are taken.
So other than being black, and daring to leave the plantation.. errr, I mean reject the Democratic party's benevolent stewardship, what has this guy done wrong?
Did he announce plans to blow up the UN if elected, like the LP candidate? Or to arrest the Queen of England for being a drug dealer, ala La Rouche?
Who's got something substantive? Other than what I referenced above, I don't know what Keyes stands for, but the criticisms so far aren't very damning...
Boy, are you ignorant. If that's you're conception of how the Senate works and the nature of the bills they pass, what can I say except take some basic Poli-Sci courses.
Yaaaaaaaa -- instead of an intellectual with years of international experience, we get a guy who passed bills about the cow pastures in Springfield!
"You're right, state legislatures never enact laws dealing with health care, gay marriage, abortion, education, transportation and commerce.."
Yaaaaa .... did they declare war on afghanistan? Deal with the illegal aliens in california? Send probes to mars? Approve the Kyoto treaty? Set U.S. trade policy? Approve U.S. Supreme Court nominees? Launch the carrier Ronald Reagan?
..I could go on
Yeah ... you go on!
How to pronounce the state's name correctly, for one thing.
You racist F__K! Making fun of a black man's pronunciation! And "th"s - Obama's got that nailed, too!
From your ignorant and blatantly racists statements re Obama and the Harvard Law Review, I'm not at all surprised this is the best criticism you can come up with.
Yaaaaa ... anybody who doesn't approve the media's wonderboy is a racist ... even if they're for the other black guy!
Are you referring to his two failed runs for Senate? Or maybe the time he was shut out of the Republican primary debates? It seems that Keyes' status in the "big pond" is hovering somewhere just below plankton.
You're gutlessly avoiding his resume, and the reason is you are is your a wuss!
And twice now you've completely ignored my request that you support your position that Keyes is a "rising star."
He just got nominated to run for the senate - that's rising, isn't it?
Yaaaaaaaa -- instead of an intellectual with years of international experience, we get a guy who passed bills about the cow pastures in Springfield!
"You're right, state legislatures never enact laws dealing with health care, gay marriage, abortion, education, transportation and commerce.."
Yaaaaa .... did they declare war on afghanistan? Deal with the illegal aliens in california? Send probes to mars? Approve the Kyoto treaty? Set U.S. trade policy? Approve U.S. Supreme Court nominees? Launch the carrier Ronald Reagan?
..I could go on
Yeah ... you go on!
How to pronounce the state's name correctly, for one thing.
You racist F__K! Making fun of a black man's pronunciation! And "th"s - Obama's got that nailed, too!
From your ignorant and blatantly racists statements re Obama and the Harvard Law Review, I'm not at all surprised this is the best criticism you can come up with.
Yaaaaa ... anybody who doesn't approve the media's wonderboy is a racist ... even if they're for the other black guy!
Are you referring to his two failed runs for Senate? Or maybe the time he was shut out of the Republican primary debates? It seems that Keyes' status in the "big pond" is hovering somewhere just below plankton.
You're gutlessly avoiding his resume, and the reason is you are is your a wuss!
And twice now you've completely ignored my request that you support your position that Keyes is a "rising star."
He just got nominated to run for the senate - that's rising, isn't it?
People like to know that a person who is going to be representing them understands what their particular state is like, what their lives and livelihoods are like, what problems their state faces, what things they are proud of and what things they would just as soon put behind them. How a person pronounces the name of the state is not the most important indicator that a person understands these things, but it is an indicator.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight .... from trade policy to heath care to the war in Afghanistan, an awful lot can be gleaned from that extra "s"! Why don't you apply this to hillary? Following the Florida Marlins' victory over the New York Yankees in the World Series, Hillary said that she has always been a Marlins fan - oops! switched that and said she's always been a yankees fan. Besides the shameless pandering, it illustrates why Bill and Hillary are the pre-eminent liars in the U.S. Is lying an "important indicator"?
Give it up.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight .... from trade policy to heath care to the war in Afghanistan, an awful lot can be gleaned from that extra "s"! Why don't you apply this to hillary? Following the Florida Marlins' victory over the New York Yankees in the World Series, Hillary said that she has always been a Marlins fan - oops! switched that and said she's always been a yankees fan. Besides the shameless pandering, it illustrates why Bill and Hillary are the pre-eminent liars in the U.S. Is lying an "important indicator"?
Give it up.
Patrick said:Boy, are you ignorant. If that's you're conception of how the Senate works and the nature of the bills they pass, what can I say except take some basic Poli-Sci courses.
Yaaaaaaaa -- instead of an intellectual with years of international experience, we get a guy who passed bills about the cow pastures in Springfield!
"You're right, state legislatures never enact laws dealing with health care, gay marriage, abortion, education, transportation and commerce.."
Yaaaaa .... did they declare war on afghanistan? Deal with the illegal aliens in california? Send probes to mars? Approve the Kyoto treaty? Set U.S. trade policy? Approve U.S. Supreme Court nominees? Launch the carrier Ronald Reagan?
..I could go on
Yeah ... you go on!
How to pronounce the state's name correctly, for one thing.
You racist F__K! Making fun of a black man's pronunciation! And "th"s - Obama's got that nailed, too!
From your ignorant and blatantly racists statements re Obama and the Harvard Law Review, I'm not at all surprised this is the best criticism you can come up with.
Yaaaaa ... anybody who doesn't approve the media's wonderboy is a racist ... even if they're for the other black guy!
Are you referring to his two failed runs for Senate? Or maybe the time he was shut out of the Republican primary debates? It seems that Keyes' status in the "big pond" is hovering somewhere just below plankton.
You're gutlessly avoiding his resume, and the reason you are is your a wuss!
And twice now you've completely ignored my request that you support your position that Keyes is a "rising star."
He just got nominated to run for the senate - that's rising, isn't it?
In case you're wondering, there is a reason I'll no longer be responding to your posts. Try to guess what it is...
Mike
In case you're wondering, there is a reason I'll no longer be responding to your posts.
I'm crushed!!!
Try to guess what it is...
Just off the top of my head, I'd guess it's because you're tired of having your butt stomped flatter than the Saturday edition of the Baghdad Times -- understandable!
I'm crushed!!!
Try to guess what it is...
Just off the top of my head, I'd guess it's because you're tired of having your butt stomped flatter than the Saturday edition of the Baghdad Times -- understandable!
crimresearch said:
Nope, you're right, "responding to a call" is the only way he compared himself to the 9/11 firefighters.
Yeah. Wouldn't have been nearly as sanctimonious.
I never claimed Keyes said he "personally was another Lincoln." Didn't even imply it. My only point was that it takes a certain amount of what we JEws call "chutzpah" to compare yourself to the 9/11 firefighters and Abraham Lincoln.
I never claimed he did anything "wrong," I was mostly just responding to Patrick's idiocy. True, I don't agree with Keyes' politics. And to me, he appears to be more interested in promoting Alan Keyes than having any true political aspirations. I think his about-face in running for the Illinois senate makes him a hypocrite of the worst kind. And I think he's going to have his a$$ handed to him by Obama.
Mike
Whoracle said:
Obama's voting record includes voting in favor of partial birth abortions (infanticide) and also in favor of charging people who defend themselves from home invaders with gun crimes. If those are mainstream democrat positions, then God save us from the democrats.
WildCat said:I heard a Keyes sound bite on the news this morning, saying that Obama wasn't what "Illinoisians" want. He actually pronounced the "s" in Illinois, something out-of-staters do quite a lot and a dead give-away that you're not from around here. Here we say "Illinoisan", pronounced "Illinoyan".
Oh, and it's "Chi-CAW-go, not Chi-CAH-go. Cairo IL is pronounced "Kay-ro" and Dolton is pronounced "Daul-ton".
Nonsense. Nobody from Illinis has ever utter the word "Illinoyan" but you.
Rouser2 said:
Born and raised in Chicago, myself. That's precisely what we call ourselves. What the cheeseheads call us is a totally different matter, but they keep it under their breath because they know their economy depends on our penchant for boating, hunting and antique shopping.
Those from the city are called "Chicagoans." Those living south of I-80 are "Hayseeds." And the whole kit and caboodle are collectively known as Illinoisans. Sorry it's not as hip as "Hoosiers," but at least it has the virtue of making sense.