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Keyes vs. Obama

jj said:
Unh, U.S. Senators have districts? Er. No.

Perhaps I'm saying what you intended, I'm not sure.
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Yes you were. Patrick was saying Kerry moved into several congressional districts in his career. Kerry is a Senator, and as such districting does not apply to him to the best of my knowledge.

Although it might for state senators now that I think about it. I'll look this up and get back to you.
 
headscratcher4 said:
Indeed, Keyes is quickly becoming a sort of low-grade Harold Stassen or Lyndon LaRouche...making his living by running for office and firing up an scary though thankfully small portion of fringies...
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I seem to recall that Keyes made the tactical error during his
failed Presidential bid, of actually addressing issues, instead of the eminintly more succesful tactic of mud slinging and agit-prop labelled as 'issues'...that would appear to make him more like Perot.

I don't recall hearing any that would match up to LaRouche for looniness though. But, I certianly didn't hear everything Keyes had to say...

Which Keyes positions did you base your 'fringe/low grade Larouche' analysis on?
 
Am I wrong that Keyes is sanctimonious? Matter of opinion.

Am I unaware of the meaning of the word? No.
 
I heard a Keyes sound bite on the news this morning, saying that Obama wasn't what "Illinoisians" want. He actually pronounced the "s" in Illinois, something out-of-staters do quite a lot and a dead give-away that you're not from around here. Here we say "Illinoisan", pronounced "Illinoyan". :p

Oh, and it's "Chi-CAW-go, not Chi-CAH-go. Cairo IL is pronounced "Kay-ro" and Dolton is pronounced "Daul-ton".
 
I heard a Keyes sound bite on the news this morning, saying that Obama wasn't what "Illinoisians" want. He actually pronounced the "s" in Illinois, something out-of-staters do quite a lot and a dead give-away that you're not from around here. Here we say "Illinoisan", pronounced "Illinoyan".

So what? Ever hear Ted Kennedy's "Alabamer"? Also fun to hear people from the midwest relentlessly screw up place names in california. I think the election should turn on more substantive issues.
 
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Looking up my old state senator who's step-cousin I once dated...

In the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, state senators do have districts. According to Kerry's own website, he was a prosectutor, then Lt. Governor, then a U.S. Senator. I do not believe he was the D.A. for which he would have to run.
 
Patrick said:

So what? Ever hear Ted Kennedy's "Alabamer"? Also fun to hear people from the midwest relentlessly screw up place names in california. I think the election should turn on more substantive issues.
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If he doesn't even know how to pronounce some common place names, he's not likely to have his finger on the pulse of those he seeks to represent.

We've never elected a carpetbagger here, and Keyes won't be the first.
 
Patrick said:
Obama's "plans" to become the next junior senator from the State of Illinois have a significantly greater likelihood of succeeding than your plans to become the king of France

Unfortunately I have to agree ... with the inept Illinois republican establishment, and the liberal media establishment getting just SQUEELY over the fact that a young BM (wheeeeeee!!!) who can pronounce "th" (eeeeeee!!!!!) and can emit phrases ("there's no republicans or democrats - just americans" ooo! eee! ooooooo!!!) that would make Edwin Newman look for a new profession, it's an uphill fight for Keyes. It'll boil down to massive free LME coverage for Obama vs. Keyes' high intellect and relevent experience.
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You are just digging yourself in deeper, aren't you? Since you conveniently dropped the issue in your response, I'd still like to know why you think Keyes is a "rising star.

As for Keyes having "relevant experience," would that be his zero years of legislative experience? Or his zero years representing the people of Illinois in any capacity whatsoever? Or his decades of experience living in a state hundreds of miles away from the people he now wants to represent in Washington?

Mike
 
mfeldman said:
You are just digging yourself in deeper, aren't you? Since you conveniently dropped the issue in your response, I'd still like to know why you think Keyes is a "rising star.

As for Keyes having "relevant experience," would that be his zero years of legislative experience? Or his zero years representing the people of Illinois in any capacity whatsoever? Or his decades of experience living in a state hundreds of miles away from the people he now wants to represent in Washington?

Mike
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Let's face it: Keyes' relevant experience is losing elections. The Illinois Republicans needed someone to do just that, rather than not field a candidate at all. It's just funny that they got a carpet bagger who was very specific 4 years ago in his criticism of Hillary Clinton for running NY. I wonder if his hypocricy is 'according to natural law.' He'd have gotten off to a better start if he at least admitted he was wrong and had changed his mind.
 
"As for Keyes having "relevant experience," would that be his zero years of legislative experience? Or his zero years representing the people of Illinois in any capacity whatsoever?"

Senators have to decide issues of mostly national importance, e.g., going to war. How does being in a state legislature help you with things like that? Obama has no experience representing Illinois on NATIONAL issues. Keyes international experience is much more in line with the decisions made by the senate. And what is it that "legislative experience" in a midwestern statehouse teaches that a PhD in GOVERNMENT from HARVARD wouldn't know? Obama is a PC candidate being hyped by the media - he's a very small fish trying to jump into the big pond. Keyes has been in the big pond for decades.
 
Patrick said:
"As for Keyes having "relevant experience," would that be his zero years of legislative experience? Or his zero years representing the people of Illinois in any capacity whatsoever?"

Senators have to decide issues of mostly national importance, e.g., going to war. How does being in a state legislature help you with things like that? Obama has no experience representing Illinois on NATIONAL issues. Keyes international experience is much more in line with the decisions made by the senate. And what is it that "legislative experience" in a midwestern statehouse teaches that a PhD in GOVERNMENT from HARVARD wouldn't know? Obama is a PC candidate being hyped by the media - he's a very small fish trying to jump into the big pond. Keyes has been in the big pond for decades.
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Well how do you -get- that kind of experience aside from being a U.S. Senator for that state? This is like the "I need a job, but I can't get a job because I don't have the experience." quandry.
 
WildCat said:
If he doesn't even know how to pronounce some common place names, he's not likely to have his finger on the pulse of those he seeks to represent.

We've never elected a carpetbagger here, and Keyes won't be the first.
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I know it's not the best analogy, but what does it say on your license plate? I think you'll find mention of a native-born son of Kentucky there that most would strongly associate with Illinois...
 
By the way, Lincoln moved to Illinois in 1830. He was elected to the Illinois Legislature in 1834.

Keyes moved to Illinois ... um ... we'll get back to you.
 
Well how do you -get- that kind of experience aside from being a U.S. Senator for that state? This is like the "I need a job, but I can't get a job because I don't have the experience." quandry.

Also how about Hillary Clinton -- she not only didn't have any legislative experience in New York, she didn't have any legislative experience ANYWHERE, and no government experience except being appointed by Bubba to preside over the health care socialization debacle - but the liberal press has been, oooooo, just tingly in the crotch about her since she took office, just like they always are when some non-WM liberal/left lawyer sticks his/her head up and runs for office. The blather about Keyes not having experience in Illinois is just a smokescreen - the attacks on Keyes have more to do with the special venom that liberals reserve for uppity blacks who dare to leave the democrat plantation, same with Justice Thomas' "high-tech lynching".
 
Patrick said:
Well how do you -get- that kind of experience aside from being a U.S. Senator for that state? This is like the "I need a job, but I can't get a job because I don't have the experience." quandry.

Also how about Hillary Clinton -- she not only didn't have any legislative experience in New York, she didn't have any legislative experience ANYWHERE, and no government experience except being appointed by Bubba to preside over the health care socialization debacle - but the liberal press has been, oooooo, just tingly in the crotch about her since she took office, just like they always are when some non-WM liberal/left lawyer sticks his/her head up and runs for office. The blather about Keyes not having experience in Illinois is just a smokescreen - the attacks on Keyes have more to do with the special venom that liberals reserve for uppity blacks who dare to leave the democrat plantation, same with Justice Thomas' "high-tech lynching".
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You failed to answer my question.

How can one get experience in national legislative matters for a state without having been a national legistator for said state?

Race and political affiliation have nothing to do with this question.

How do you get the experience without having done the job?
 
Patrick said:
The blather about Keyes not having experience in Illinois is just a smokescreen - the attacks on Keyes have more to do with the special venom that liberals reserve for uppity blacks who dare to leave the democrat plantation, same with Justice Thomas' "high-tech lynching".
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By the way, Clarence Thomas is married to a white woman. How do you feel about that?
 
How can one get experience in national legislative matters for a state without having been a national legistator for said state?

You CAN'T - which is another reason why the criticism of Keyes is invalid.
 
By the way, Clarence Thomas is married to a white woman. How do you feel about that?

I don't feel anything about that, and that has nothing to do with the link you inserted. How do you feel about chicken production in China?
 
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