Slimething
Illuminator
- Joined
- Nov 14, 2006
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No, you did. You have steered the discussion into an endless loop of tiring obfuscation. Posters have derided Hovind for his "fake credentials" and you know full well what they mean. They are not refering to a fraudulent document but a valueless document. You have maneuvered to this place because ignoring the obvious intent and meaning and arguing against the straw man of a ultra-literal definition is your way of running away from your statements.
You just love to put words in other people's mouths, Gene. If you're going to be ultra-literal, please acquaint yourself with the definitions of both "valid" and "fake". They are not antonyms, as you are hoping. And, no, what was being said is that no one had said anything about Hovind's doctorate using your definition of "fake". Our definition of fake does not mean the same as "illegal", as yours does.
Wow! Strong legalistic condemnation from an illiterate. Perhaps someone should point out to this pedantic fool that, as Hovind has not been charged or tried for fraud by deception, that charge can be made leaving the question open until a verdict is rendered. That makes any allegation that Hovind misrepresented himself, of which there is solid evidence, neither baseless nor libelous. If it were libelous, Gene the Clueless could forward this thread to the PBU and Hovind so that they could seek legal remedy. Methinks he doth protest too much.
First two sentences: "I declare myself victor of this argument." Third sentence is not a sentence as I have come to know them. Perhaps Gene the Illiterate would do us the favor of an edit? Nah, why bother?
Finally, Gene gets back to his first statement after his long, intentional derail. He believes that our celebration that a conman has been incarcerated is a shameful exhibition. He even pities poor Hovind as he's now suffering. Gene, that's the way the law is supposed to work. Do the crime; do the time. It's been pointed out to me that, if I ever want to meet someone who considers themself to be innocent, visit a prison as all the inmates will tell you they're innocent.
The USA is a country of laws, Gene. The justice system is stacked towards letting the guilty sometimes go free so as not to incarcerate innocents. You can bet your sweet bipee that, for the prosecution to have had such a lopsided victory against Hovind, the totality of the evidence against him must have been overwhelming.
As you point out, Hovind was not convicted of fraud by deception but you yourself have correctly pointed out how difficult it is to make that charge stick. Instead, like your other idol Capone, he was put away for the benefit of society using a more tangible crime, tax evasion. It didn't have to be so but he had been taunting the local and Federal authorities long enough that they could not ignore the ass.
So, we rejoice that this sociopath is no longer able to freely walk the country fleecing people with such a variety of ploys. Don't like it? Vote with your feet. Go to a country where religious figures can break the law with impunity and only have to pay a few ducats for their license. There are countries like that, y'know. Please do this and be quick about it. I, for one, have grown tired of your whining and self-righteous rants.
