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IANAL, how is it different? Different sentencing guidelines? Different rules for how it is investigated or prosecuted?
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Merged Justice Deparment Drops Case Against M. Flynn
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IANAL, how is it different? Different sentencing guidelines? Different rules for how it is investigated or prosecuted?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_crime
The underlying crime they were nominally investigating was a violation of the Logan act. If you're familiar with this act and its history, you will know why that's a farce.
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It's funny that you think anyone could complete a prosecution of Flynn at this point, given the recently uncovered documents.
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Which ones, specifically, do you think undermine the case? Please quote fully the relevant portions.
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That wasn't what he was charged with, that wasn't what he plead to, and that had nothing to do with why he was being investigated.
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As one (but not the only) example:
https://www.scribd.com/document/459057200/doc-188
Handwritten note from an agent:
"What's our goal? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?"
Not only is this suggestive of an illegitimate purpose for the investigation of Flynn, but just as importantly in terms of the case against Flynn, this is Brady material. Withholding it from the defense was illegal. Given the protracted fight that Flynn had in order to get this material, the fact that it came out this late in the process after Van Grack swore up and down to the court that everything had already been turned over, basically dooms any hope that any prosecutor could have ever had in going forward with the case against Flynn.
If there was ever a legitimate case against Flynn, Van Grack ****** it up beyond any hope of repair. And if you think he did it to protect Trump, you need to share your drugs with the rest of the class.
a_unique_person
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It's funny that you think there is anything in those documents that is outside standard police procedure.
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First, to the extent that you're right, that's pretty damning of standard police procedure. Second, as I keep having to point out because people want to ignore it, the fact that this stuff wasn't turned over to the defense years ago is at least as much of a problem as the contents themselves.
a_unique_person
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Didn't he set himself up?
Judge Sullivan will have to accept the DoJ dropping the case. With Flynn already having appeared in court and admitting to lying to the FBI, there is grounds for sentencing him on the basis of that.
It'll get appealed and trump will sic his followers on Judge Sullivan, so who knows what'll happen.
It'll get appealed and trump will sic his followers on Judge Sullivan, so who knows what'll happen.
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I'd far rather see the case dropped than see him get a pardon. With the case dropped, jeopardy doesn't attach, and once Trump is gone, and the rotten core of the DOJ is cleaned out, with the corrupt AG replaced with with someone who has integrity, the DOJ will be able to take the case up again, and prosecute the traitorous SOB and lock his arse up.
Flynn sold his country down the river for personal gain, to the Russians and the Turks of all people. He might not technically have committed treason, but he is a traitor nonetheless in every other way.
Flynn sold his country down the river for personal gain, to the Russians and the Turks of all people. He might not technically have committed treason, but he is a traitor nonetheless in every other way.
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I guarantee you that the case will never be picked up again, no matter who becomes president. If you think otherwise, it's because you haven't actually paid attention to the case, and don't actually understand why it was dropped.
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That's some pretty deep delusion you've got going on there.
Flynn will never be sentenced.
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Bitch and moan all you want, but none of your complaining will make any of this true. The recent document dump was damning for the case against Flynn. That's simply an objective fact. And as time goes by, even Trump-hostile legal experts are going to have to admit that.
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Of course not. He's a conservative under a conservative government. It's not wrong if you're a republican.
Let's not abuse the once-honorable word conservative. They are right-wing extremists. Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush would be expelled from today's Repub Party as soft-hearted socialists.
Shalamar
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The current crop of conservatives. I mean, Flynns crimes being dismissed is being celebrated by conservatives here. it's not wrong if you're a republican.
They would be dancing to a different tune if Flynn was a Democrat under a Democratic government.