Jogging in Georgia while black.

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SuburbanTurkey said:
The elder McMichael is pretty much your generic-looking paunchy Georgia old white guy. Probably find a handful of lookalikes at any given grocery store. I too remain skeptical that this is a positive match based on this one photo.

I wouldn't be so certain that he would be well known simply from attending a KKK rally without concealing his face.

Efforts by antifascists to publicly out these kinds of people have really only picked up steam in the last few years, notably picking up after the Charlottesville attacks. A lot of their success can be attributed to the carelessness racists have taken towards protecting their identity.

A lot of these people who were doxxed were plainly showing their faces, and it only took a bit of social media hunting to find out who they were. These people covering their faces and taking more precaution is a more recent trend in response to the many successes of antifascists in getting people fired and otherwise ostracized.

It would be pretty bold for a law enforcement officer to openly march with the Klan, but stories of cops with links to the KKK are extremely common.

The ADL cities this photo from Rome, GA in 2016. That's all the way across the state from Brunswick. If this is McMichael, he could probably have been assured no one locally would recognize him. https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/loyal-white-knights-of-the-ku-klux-klan

The date is also pre-Unite the Right, when it was generally safer to be an out-and-out Klansman without word getting back to your boss.
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Agreed, I was starting to reconsider that as well. If I were to go 30 miles from my front door I would be an anonymous face in the crowd too.

Antifa is surely at work digging dirt on this guy. If he has known ties, they'll be public soon enough.
 
dejudge said:
The numerous videos where it is shown that Arbery was known to Police and Court means that it is likely that Greg McMichael knew of Arbery before 23 Feb.20.

Greg McMichael was an active Police officer during the time Arbery was arrested and stopped by Police in 2017

Greg and Travis may have planned to personally deal with Arbery after he was seen on the surveillance video on 11 Feb.20.
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Its certainly a possibility. Still vigalanism, and still a serious crime. Unlike trespassing.
 
McMichael does have the sort of generic older southern dude look to him, enough so me personally I' m gonna put the KKK thing into pure speculation territory until if/when anymore more comes of it.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
Perfectly admissible as evidence to support an argument on a message-board though:D.
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True.

I, for one, would find it interesting to learn about the past of the characters involved in the shooting, and in the end it might even influence what I think the appropriate sentence would be.


However, "sentence" would still be involved. I really don't want armed folks taking the law into their own hands and chasing people through neighborhoods. Bad things could happen. Bad things like a guy ending up lying dead in the street. We can say lots of different "None of this would have happened if..." and they would all be true, but the people who did the things that made this happen should each be judged on what they did. There's no point to judging Arbery. He's dead and so beyond judgement. However, there are (at least) two guys who grabbed guns and chased a guy through the streets. I'm perfectly willing to judge them on that, whether they turn out to be white supremacists or good neighbors or both, I still think it ought to be a crime to grab a gun and go chasing someone.

ETA: And, with a nod to our constitution, I will amend that slightly. It's ok to have a gun, if allowed in your jurisdiction, but taking it out and using it in any way as part of a threat is a crime, and should be a crime, and I think the McMichaels should be judged for that.
 
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The idea that an investigator in a DA's office would go out there with his face in the wide open for all to see, in a KKK rally and that this same guy had a daughter with multiple boyfriends of color, was a stupid notion.

It's a notion that had no better basis than some people on "black twitter" wanting it to be true and finding some picture of a guy at a KKK rally that they thought looked like him, because all whites look alike to them I guess. That and they're primed to view all whites as secret KKK racists.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
It has been reported that he was charged and pleaded guilty and got 5 years probation.
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For it to be taken at face value, post that from a country that does not have myriad structural and cultural issues with people not being able to make bail, and being therefore abused (can't work) and pressured (jail) until they give in and plea.

The US of A, and in particular, the state of Georgia, has very little credibility in terms of due process and the rule of law. This has been increasingly the case for some time, and now the sloppy cup overfloweth.

The assumption of due diligence and good faith cannot be made in nation states or regions that are in rampant, repeated, and widespread dereliction of duty in (1) due process and (2) voting rights. That's third world, pseudo-democracy status.

There can be no blithely assuming good faith in any actions by the US justice system, as would be the case in many other places in the world. Not any more.

It will take some getting used to, but them's the breaks. Argentina had, and still has, a god-awful time of it falling from the top five to the middle of the pack, but they fell relatively slowly. The UK still doesn't know what happened. Trump's version of "Nero Has a Fiddle" should prove quite interesting, providing the nukes stay parked.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
The idea that an investigator in a DA's office would go out there with his face in the wide open for all to see, in a KKK rally and that this same guy had a daughter with multiple boyfriends of color, was a stupid notion.
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The only evidence that the daughter has had any black boyfriends is that she's said so. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that "some of my best friends are black" is a common defence against accusations of racism. I'm sure I don't have to tell you because you've used it yourself in this very thread.

But how fanciful the notion is, is a question of how intelligent you think the McMichaels are. Evidence points towards "not very".
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The only evidence that the daughter has had any black boyfriends is that she's said so. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that "some of my best friends are black" is a common defence against accusations of racism. I'm sure I don't have to tell you because you've used it yourself in this very thread.

But how fanciful the notion is, is a question of how intelligent you think the McMichaels are. Evidence points towards "not very".
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The daughter hasn't been accused of racism so why is her statement not taken at face value?
 
Interesting, the Guardian edited the 2017 video where they tried to tase Arbery to remove aggressive threats he made toward the cops:

Link to a site 10 people will reply to this post and say is a racist conspiracy site (I've never seen the site before but I can tell by the name and side bar links to other articles it may be some kind of Alex Jones tier thing - doesn't matter though, this article is self-contained with evidence of its claims)

"The Guardian committed journalistic fraud on Monday by releasing deceptively edited footage of Ahmaud Arbery being detained on November 7, 2017 which cut out evidence of him threatening a cop.

You can see in the unedited video below that Arbery tells the cop, "Bitch you hit me with that **** bitch you gone be ****** up."

The Guardian surgically edited that one line out of their interaction to give the false impression he wasn't being aggressive:

I encourage you to watch both videos in full. The Guardian also did not show how Arbery was allowed to leave the scene (and leave his car behind) without any issue after the cop told him he had an expired licence."
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IsThisTheLife said:
Look people, it's real simple - it's become abundantly clear that Arbery's character was going to land him in a bad place sooner or later. That character was what got him shot dead. If you want to believe, with nothing to support that belief, that McMichael wanted to shoot him, malice-aforethought, and was happy do have done so, you're ****** in the head.
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The fact is that McMichael grabbed his gun and rushed out of the house with the express purpose of chasing down Arbery and stopping him. He may not have wanted to kill Arbery. I don't think there is any way we could ever know that for certain, short of a statement from him. And I doubt that will be forthcoming.

But there is no arguing with the fact that he made a point of preparing himself to do so. And when the circumstances arose ... without any apparent hesitation ... he did.

You seem to be able to slip a matchbook cover between the two things and treat them as separate. I can't.
 
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