Jogging in Georgia while black.

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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Since that doesn't appear to have led to any charges, doesn't that go on the "Arbrey was hassled by the police while not doing anything wrong" pile?
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Indeed. What I see is a bunch of dirtbag cops arresting a person for something that it turns out he didn't do. No charges were ever laid.

However, I know exactly why the cops released this video, and the earlier video. Its a hatchet job on Arbury - they are attempting to taint the jury pool.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
It has been reported that he was charged and pleaded guilty and got 5 years probation.
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That is not what I am hearing!


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OK, I'm seeing different things being reported by different sources. However, none of this makes any difference to the issue at hand - the punishment for stealing home appliances is not the death penalty.

At the end of the day, two Georgia rednecks, Gregory "Cletus" McMichael and Travis "Bubba" McMichael murdered Arbury - that is the only thing that matters; the only thing that is relevant
 
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Meadmaker said:
As a dedicated skeptic, though, I have to ask, how does one shoplift a 65 inch TV? Do people really walk out with those things? That's a pretty big item.
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Oh FFS. That isn't 'Skepticism', just incredulity. Probably weighs about 15kg, very wieldy, the sub-80 IQ, dumb shoplifter thinks he might just be able to brazen it and just casually carry it out the door. It appears Arbery might have had second thoughts and decided to leave inside the entrance, perhaps with a vague notion of returning for it (a man with a plan).
Meadmaker said:
Something there was fishy.
And, as other people have said, and you have acknowledged, that won't be admissible at trial. I don't think.
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Perfectly admissible as evidence to support an argument on a message-board though:D.
 
Bob001 said:
There is no backpedaling (not selling anything) here. The McMichaels had no grounds to pursue Arbery with guns. Nothing Arbery did in his life before that moment changes that singular fact.
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Yeh, I've made that mistake before (pedaling/peddling), I've seen a lot of people do the same. But I'll have to consider not posting on ISF again in abject embarrassment.
 
Bob001 said:
There is no backpedaling (not selling anything) here. The McMichaels had no grounds to pursue Arbery with guns. Nothing Arbery did in his life before that moment changes that singular fact.
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So nothing's changed in your mind since those initial corporate-media reports that you and some credulous fools here so eagerly jumped on (along with the rake), about the "innocent jogger" shot "for being black" by characters straight out of Southern Comfort?
 
smartcooky said:
That is not what I am hearing!


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OK, I'm seeing different things being reported by different sources. However, none of this makes any difference to the issue at hand - the punishment for stealing home appliances is not the death penalty.

At the end of the day, two Georgia rednecks, Gregory "Cletus" McMichael and Travis "Bubba" McMichael murdered Arbury - that is the only thing that matters; the only thing that is relevant
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Two "Georgia rednecks", as revealed by their chequered past of Klan and neo-Nazi membership and various misdemeanors and convictions which the corporate media have kept from us in their reporting.

Compare and contrast with Arbery, smeared the length and breadth of the same corporate media, despite his obvious virtuousness and potential, a good boy who just wanted to keep fit and try and break through the wall of racism that was keeping him out of a decent job or college.

Oh, wait...
 
IsThisTheLife said:
Two "Georgia rednecks", as revealed by their chequered past of Klan and neo-Nazi membership and various misdemeanors and convictions which the corporate media have kept from us in their reporting.

Compare and contrast with Arbery, smeared the length and breadth of the same corporate media, despite his obvious virtuousness and potential, a good boy who just wanted to keep fit and try and break through the wall of racism that was keeping him out of a decent job or college.

Oh, wait...
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Let's suppose, just as a counterfactual, that McMichaels senior was an exemplary police officer, who always kept up to date with all training, and Arbery was a habitual criminal who had actually been stealing stuff from the construction site [1]. What's the verdict on what McMichaels and son did? Well, in fact, it's still murder. They didn't have direct knowledge that he had committed a felony for which he had not been apprehended, nor that he was a fleeing felon, so they had no right to carry out a citizen's arrest. Their actions in chasing after him, armed, in a truck, therefore constitute aggravated assault in Georgia law; Arbery's response constituted legal self-defense, and so shooting him was a crime. That's what people mean who say that the TV incident doesn't matter; in terms of the legality of the actions committed on the day Arbery died, it has no relevance.

Dave

[1] For those with reading comprehension difficulties, please note that I'm not stating this was in fact true; I'm just exploring the scenario that shows the defense up in the best possible light.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
It has been reported that he was charged and pleaded guilty and got 5 years probation.
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We know from two other current threads, mind you, that (a) being arrested for stealing a 65" TV does not necessarily imply that a 65" TV was at any point actually stolen, and (b) pleading guilty to a charge does not necessarily imply that the charge had any grounds whatsoever.

Dave
 
smartcooky said:
That is not what I am hearing!

ETA:

OK, I'm seeing different things being reported by different sources. However, none of this makes any difference to the issue at hand - the punishment for stealing home appliances is not the death penalty.

At the end of the day, two Georgia rednecks, Gregory "Cletus" McMichael and Travis "Bubba" McMichael murdered Arbury - that is the only thing that matters; the only thing that is relevant
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LoL.

Didn't I just mention "back-pedaling" (sic)? So, you won't entertain the idea that this might explain why he got violent rather than wait for the cops, i.e he thought he was likely to be arrested again, which at his age quite was possibly going land him in state prison? Nah, unthinkable.
 
Dave Rogers said:
We know from two other current threads, mind you, that (a) being arrested for stealing a 65" TV does not necessarily imply that a 65" TV was at any point actually stolen, and (b) pleading guilty to a charge does not necessarily imply that the charge had any grounds whatsoever.

Dave
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Prevarication.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
So, you won't entertain the idea that this might explain why he got violent rather than wait for the cops, i.e he thought he was likely to be arrested again, which at his age quite was possibly going land him in state prison?
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Yes, it's quite possible that he thought that. Again, that doesn't necessarily imply that he had committed a crime at any time recently; he may simply have felt that, as he had a criminal record, he'd find himself in prison whatever happened. Nor does it make it legal for McMichaels and son to carry out a citizen's arrest, or to respond with deadly force when he tried to resist their unlawful arrest.

Dave
 
Look people, it's real simple - it's become abundantly clear that Arbery's character was going to land him in a bad place sooner or later. That character was what got him shot dead. If you want to believe, with nothing to support that belief, that McMichael wanted to shoot him, malice-aforethought, and was happy do have done so, you're ****** in the head.
 
Darat said:
It’s not great but I think if he has only just started his creative writing course it’s not bad, you really get the idea of this terrible, frightening encounter.
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He shouldn't have started with Incredible Hulk fan fiction. Especially not on a police report.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
Look people, it's real simple - it's become abundantly clear that Arbery's character was going to land him in a bad place sooner or later. That character was what got him shot dead. If you want to believe, with nothing to support that belief, that McMichael wanted to shoot him, malice-aforethought, and was happy do have done so, you're ****** in the head.
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Thank you. Another "thug deserves to be killed" post. I haven't been imagining them.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
Look people, it's real simple - it's become abundantly clear that Arbery's character was going to land him in a bad place sooner or later. That character was what got him shot dead.
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The law as written applicable to the situation does not recognize bad character as grounds for execution. And as for the character of people who think it's acceptable to go cruising round the neighborhood hunting perceived bad guys with a shotgun, that's the kind that gets other people shot dead. Which is worse?

Dave
 
lionking said:
Thank you. Another "thug deserves to be killed" post. I haven't been imagining them.
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I have a pathological aversion to repeating myself over and over again, perhaps because it might imply a lack of originality or ability to actually think. You?
 
Dave Rogers said:
The law as written applicable to the situation does not recognize bad character as grounds for execution. And as for the character of people who think it's acceptable to go cruising round the neighborhood hunting perceived bad guys with a shotgun, that's the kind that gets other people shot dead. Which is worse?

Dave
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Yet again. "Execution". That's just bare-faced lying, but why should I be suprised? You know what they say about liberals.

Arbery getting shot would otherwise never have raised an eyebrow, but statistically it was always going to be more likely to be an actual execution-style killing. By another black.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
Yet again. "Execution". That's just bare-faced lying, […]
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Please show me the text of the Georgia law that states that bad character is grounds for execution.

(You may of course want to suggest that I called Arbery's killing an execution, but given that I clearly did no such thing a neutral observer might see that as "bare-faced lying.")

Dave
 
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