Jogging in Georgia while black.

[Darat]

And...it contradicts Darat claim that the McMichaels were lying about the break-ins and video and that they were chasing down what they believed was a criminal suspect and were just going after some random jogger because he was a black man in their neighborhood.

They chased him down because they thought he was a criminal based on the break-ins and the video. I do not think they are lying about that as Darat claimed.

The owner of the property has stated he never showed them any video, and why would he since nothing was ever stolen and there are no reports of a series of burglaries in that neighbourhood.

How is what they claimed not lies?

 

[Skeptic Tank]

The owner of the property has stated he never showed them any video, and why would he since nothing was ever stolen and there are no reports of a series of burglaries in that neighbourhood.

How is what they claimed not lies?

In his interview with Chris Cuomo, English indicates he texted a neighbor the day Arbery was killed in reaction to having seen a notification and the video from his security system. This neighbor then said "well someone WAS there, but they were killed."

So this would seem to indicate English probably was relaying the fact that someone was showing up on the cameras whenever that would happen, in order to ask this neighbor to check it out or maybe do something to scare the person off.

If that's the case, then the previous night time incidents might have been discussed with the McMichaels by that neighbor, who may have provided a description of the person, etc.

Seems quite likely, in fact.

 

[Darat]

Darat said they chased him down simply because he was black and not because they thought he was a criminal because they lied about videos of a burglary because there were no videos of a burglary. But they didn't lie about videos of a burglary because that isn't what they said (despite numerous news reports claim such). They said there were videos of break-ins. And there were videos of "break-ins". Therefore they chased him down because they thought he was the person caught on the videos of the break-ins, not just because he was a black guy in their neighborhood. Which means a much weaker case for hate crime conviction.

Seems a rather strange nitpick burgling v break ins but okay I can go for that. However they still had not seen any videos of the break ins and they still had not known of any series of break ins. So yes they lied from beginning to end as to the reasons they decided to illegally harass, assault and curtail the movements of a black man prior to murdering him.

 

[Darat]

And it still continues...

What position did the murderers play on their high school football team?

Is it not jaw dropping to at least some of you that we are having this forensic examination of a murder victim’s personal history, and yet all we know about the murderers was that one was an ex cop.

Shouldn’t this forensic examination be happening for the two murderers? Surely we should be looking more into their backgrounds to understand what made them murderers?

 

[Darat]

In his interview with Chris Cuomo, English indicates he texted a neighbor the day Arbery was killed in reaction to having seen a notification and the video from his security system. This neighbor then said "well someone WAS there, but they were killed."

So this would seem to indicate English probably was relaying the fact that someone was showing up on the cameras whenever that would happen, in order to ask this neighbor to check it out or maybe do something to scare the person off.

If that's the case, then the previous night time incidents might have been discussed with the McMichaels by that neighbor, who may have provided a description of the person, etc.

Seems quite likely, in fact.

Was that neighbour the murderer?

 

[whoanellie]

Intersection of Satilla Drive and Holmes Road. Its in the police report. The truck would have been parked on Holmes a little way before the stop sign, facing Satilla.

Thanks

 

[pgwenthold]

And it still continues...

What position did the murderers play on their high school football team?

Is it not jaw dropping to at least some of you that we are having this forensic examination of a murder victim’s personal history, and yet all we know about the murderers was that one was an ex cop.

Shouldn’t this forensic examination be happening for the two murderers? Surely we should be looking more into their backgrounds to understand what made them murderers?

We know that one of them owned a gun that he left in an unlocked car.

 

[JoeMorgue]

And it still continues...

What position did the murderers play on their high school football team?

Is it not jaw dropping to at least some of you that we are having this forensic examination of a murder victim’s personal history, and yet all we know about the murderers was that one was an ex cop.

We'll be reminded soon that all they are doing is "just asking question" and that "Oh I'm sorry I thought this was a place for skeptics" and all that nonsense.

 

[carlitos]

The whole thing is a false flag out to make Trump look bad.

Chris McDonald and fellow radical right-wing conspiracy theorist Mark Taylor agreed that the shooting of Ahmaud Arbery was a “false flag” being hyped by the media in order to distract Americans from President Donald Trump’s efforts to take down the deep state......

On last night’s “MC Files” broadcast, McDonald and Taylor agreed that the release of the video and the subsequent media coverage of the killing are nothing more than an attempt to racially divide Americans in an effort to prevent the 2020 election.

“I knew it was going to happen over the weekend,” McDonald said. “They’re going to turn this into a Trump-bashing, racially charged event. They’re trying to distract. I look at this almost like you call it a red flag, a false flag. It’s not that it didn’t happen, but it was a distraction to get our attention off of [Trump’s fight against the deep state].”

McDonald said that if the investigation determines that “that these two men acted recklessly and they killed that boy, they need to be held to the account of the law,” but added that if this killing is determined to be a hate crime, then the Department of Justice needs “to look at every single time that this has been in reverse when you’ve had black people shooting white people, and let’s look about seeing that being a hate crime too.”

[youtube link to odious broadcast]

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Was that neighbour the murderer?

No, it was not one of the McMichaels. I strongly suspect there will end up being another neighbor who may be the guy we see on camera come out to his front lawn, if so then he may never have called cops (may have pretended to or just called out toward the house to scare Arbery out) and that this man is probably who English was texting with when he'd get a notification from his cameras.

The whole thing is a false flag out to make Trump look bad.

Trump does a pretty good job of that himself. Always knew him to be a buffoon but had hoped he could be a useful one. Not so much.

 

[Leftus]

Okay seriously who here knows everyone in their neighborhood to the point that they can, on sight, recognize someone who doesn't live there?

Dude was a halfway decent runner by all account. What's a good jogging range for an in shape person, a few miles?

(G)You tell me that you have the face of everyone that lives within a few miles of you memorized?

Hell, I'd have trouble recognizing people who live next door. My dog, would likely know more about the neighbors than I do. I do know of a few people who have the unmitigated nerve to walk their dogs in front of my house.


But some random Joe who runs in my neighborhood? Wouldn't notice or really care.

A man his age, and general fitness history, would probably aim for 5 miles as a standard range. I stopped running a long time ago, but I wouldn't bother with 2 miles. Too short to accomplish anything.

 

[Darat]

No, it was not one of the McMichaels....snip..

So the fact remains that the murderers had not seen any video.

(Remember what I said - all the rest I snipped out you could have covered with "white=right". Saved you a lot of time.)

 

[Thermal]

All I need to know to know is that in this instance skin colour was the reason they killed this person, so yes this one single instance is enough to judge them.

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean. We don't 'know' anything of the kind. Your feelings and clairvoyance are not knowledge.

I'm inclined to agree with (I think) Bob001's take: Travis was pissed that someone stole his 9mm (assuming the dumb ass didn't lose it in some other way). He is on the lookout for any and all unfamiliar faces in the area. Whether Arbery was black, white, or purple, he was an 'outsider' and that was good enough reason to shake him down for the missing S&W.

Could he also view black people as second class citizens, who are more likely to commit crimes? Sure. Being stereotypical, I would opine that a lot of Georgian white boys think that way. But I don't think it was the motivator in evidence.

 

[Athyrio]

So the fact remains that the murderers had not seen any video.

Not necessarily.

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law...borhood-confrontation/HGz6ZaFXYs3pkJhke22x4J/


According to this article, Mr. English had texted a video of a trespasser to another neighbor a couple of weeks prior to the shooting. This neighbor ran into the shooter-to-be and the trespasser shortly thereafter. The shooter-to-be must not have been armed at this time and left the scene as did the trespasser. The shooter-to-be returned with his father who had called law enforcement who soon arrived at the construction site.

Now the article does not say that the texted video was seen by the shooter-to-be and his father but why would they not have seen it? I am sure there was much discussion at the trespass scene when law enforcement arrived.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean. We don't 'know' anything of the kind. Your feelings and clairvoyance are not knowledge.

I'm inclined to agree with (I think) Bob001's take: Travis was pissed that someone stole his 9mm (assuming the dumb ass didn't lose it in some other way). He is on the lookout for any and all unfamiliar faces in the area. Whether Arbery was black, white, or purple, he was an 'outsider' and that was good enough reason to shake him down for the missing S&W.

Could he also view black people as second class citizens, who are more likely to commit crimes? Sure. Being stereotypical, I would opine that a lot of Georgian white boys think that way. But I don't think it was the motivator in evidence.

Can you explain in what way this is not true?

This entire thread is filled with 95% people who believe blacks are second class citizens. The entire BLM movement, nearly every prominent black or liberal voice of any kind asserts that blacks are second class citizens constantly.

As for more likely to commit crimes... I mean??? Crime statistics leave no room for any sort of question there.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Is it not jaw dropping to at least some of you that we are having this forensic examination of a murder victim’s personal history, and yet all we know about the murderers was that one was an ex cop.

His police record just got released.

1989-1995 he worked as a police officer Brunswick and later the Glynn County police departments.

From 1995-2019 worked as Peace Officer for the Brunswick Judicial Circuit Court.

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/...RNTxwPVd_c73NPC6zA140w0wxiTUh3qlMsPqeiNleR8v0

 

[Thermal]

Can you explain in what way this is not true?

This entire thread is filled with 95% people who believe blacks are second class citizens. The entire BLM movement, nearly every prominent black or liberal voice of any kind asserts that blacks are second class citizens constantly.

On this point, I sort of agree with you. Great White Saviors think far less of minorities than their rhetoric suggests. And on a related note, I'm always surprised that more POC don't weigh in on these threads. It's usually white guys finger wagging other white guys.

As for more likely to commit crimes... I mean??? Crime statistics leave no room for any sort of question there.

Non sequitur. White people are more likely to be nazis. Should I assume any white guy is therefore a nazi and treat him as such?

Arbery was checking out a construction site. I am a building contractor, and can say unequivocally that people do this all the time. Arbery was doing nothing suspicious in being there, no matter how incredulous you find it.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

On this point, I sort of agree with you. Great White Saviors think far less of minorities than their rhetoric suggests. And on a related note, I'm always surprised that more POC don't weigh in on these threads. It's usually white guys finger wagging other white guys.

Very true.

Non sequitur. White people are more likely to be nazis. Should I assume any white guy is therefore a nazi and treat him as such?

If only.

Arbery was checking out a construction site. I am a building contractor, and can say unequivocally that people do this all the time. Arbery was doing nothing suspicious in being there, no matter how incredulous you find it.

Arbery disagrees. That's why he took off running out of the building when he became aware a neighbor knew he was in there, and that's why he refused to have any sort of discussion or offer any sort of explanation like "oh I was just having a look around, I'm happy to explain that to the police - sorry, I didn't realize there had been thefts or that it was a big deal."

Mr. Arbery found what he was doing to be highly suspicious indeed, so much so that he probably overestimated how much legal peril he was actually in, and decided punching and grabbing at the gun of an armed man was an acceptable risk to take in an effort to evade police contact.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Ah the "I'm not racist, I'm just taking the over-dramatic libs down a peg" excuse.

 

[Thermal]

Arbery disagrees. That's why he took off running out of the building when he became aware a neighbor knew he was in there, and that's why he refused to have any sort of discussion or offer any sort of explanation like "oh I was just having a look around, I'm happy to explain that to the police - sorry, I didn't realize there had been thefts or that it was a big deal."

Mr. Arbery found what he was doing to be highly suspicious indeed, so much so that he probably overestimated how much legal peril he was actually in, and decided punching and grabbing at the gun of an armed man was an acceptable risk to take in an effort to evade police contact.

If I was stopping to look at a site (which I do without a second thought) and got confronted by a bunch of rednecks with a shotgun, I can ever so solemnly swear that I would assume they intended to kill me and react accordingly. No ifs, ands or buts. No discussion. I don't care what they say they are doing. What they are doing is a naked aggravated assault and my white ass is going in self preservation at all costs mode.