Jogging in Georgia while black.

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Skeptic Tank said:
Yep. Slight modification though:



People can call me racist all they want about this, it's not like they haven't called me that 100 times already. Call it what you want, it's an acknowledgement of reality. Blacks have a very, very high crime rate - regardless of what any person wants to attribute that to, it remains a reality - and so if you want to be safe and have your items not get stolen, and you live around people with a very high crime rate, you need to be proactive about watching out for your neighborhood and you need to be armed.
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I'm from the UK,
I love how you are trying to distance yourself from other Americans because of their skin tone, whilst forgetting you're all American.





is that racist?
 
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p0lka said:
I'm from the UK,
I love how you are trying to distance yourself from other Americans because of their skin tone, whilst forgetting you're all American.





is that racist?
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I don't distance myself from anything racist.

I would point out that American blacks tend to see themselves as being very distinct from American whites, though. I'm not exactly this sole voice of drawing distinctions and creating distance. It's pretty much the normal outlook on these matters.

Want to make a lot of black enemies really quickly? Go onto Twitter, or MSNBC for that matter, and tell a black person or group of black people that there aren't any distinctions and "we're all Americans" - you'll get a loud and endless lecture about how different the experience of being black is - how literally everything is racist and impacts them disproportionately.
 
p0lka said:
I'm from the UK,
I love how you are trying to distance yourself from other Americans because of their skin tone, whilst forgetting you're all American.
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Without recounting the history of the United States, we have never thought of ourselves much as "all American," and probably less so now than at any time since the Civil War.
 
turingtest said:
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Probably more reasonable to assume that he was there stealing hammers and whatnot, though. Right?
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I don't think I understand this hammer business. Contractors don't typically leave their tools lying around open building sites.
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Skeptic Tank said:
I don't distance myself from anything racist.

I would point out that American blacks tend to see themselves as being very distinct from American whites, though. I'm not exactly this sole voice of drawing distinctions and creating distance. It's pretty much the normal outlook on these matters.

Want to make a lot of black enemies really quickly? Go onto Twitter, or MSNBC for that matter, and tell a black person or group of black people that there aren't any distinctions and "we're all Americans" - you'll get a loud and endless lecture about how different the experience of being black is - how literally everything is racist and impacts them disproportionately.
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Yeah, I wish you Americans could sort out the internal squabbles and get an united front. It's kinda uncivilized for the rest of us.
 
As I said several time, sometimes directly to them, the white supremacist like some of the people here celebrate the murder of black people because they agree with it - thus their gleeful pro-murder stances towards Trayvon Martin, Philando Castile, Eric Garner, John Crawford, Sandra Bland and this man for doing thing people do everyday, often putting video of it up on YouTube. They are pro-murder, bad faith white supremacists, end of story. Wouldn't be shocked if they want to do it themselves, but are merely to cowardly to do so.

Y'all want to talk to them, have fun. It's beneath me to do so.
 
p0lka said:
Yeah, I wish you Americans could sort out the internal squabbles and get an united front. It's kinda uncivilized for the rest of us.
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Yeah, then we’d have stamped out the last vestige of racial division on the planet.
 
If you think setting foot in an unoccupied, unfinished house is more suspicious that murdering someone in broad daylight, you might be a racist.
 
I Am The Scum said:
If you think setting foot in an unoccupied, unfinished house is more suspicious that murdering someone in broad daylight, you might be a racist.
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This one is a bit astonishing.

I live in an area where there is a lot of construction going on.

It is very common to see small groups of people, or even singletons, on the construction sites, after hours, looking at the construction in progress...

I even have the same impulse, construction is interesting.

This is not to say that theft from construction sites doesn't occur, it really does and it's a problem.

But 'being nosey' and 'stealing stuff' aren't the same thing.
 
Bob001 said:
I don't think I understand this hammer business. Contractors don't typically leave their tools lying around open building sites.
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It was ST's first desperate attempt to find some evidence, any evidence, beyond his own fevered imaginings for Arbery having been a thief who, in the end, just got what he deserved-

Worth noting: a tool, possibly a hammer, is visible on the road behind him on the video. Strongly indicating he had stolen from the house under construction and dropped it as he was escaping.
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"Strongly indicating" :rolleyes: And his hunt hasn't gotten any more productive (or less funny) since. In fact, to counter evidence from the home-owner, who said nothing was missing, ST's superior "skepticism" insists he only said that because he is "terrified of getting the same kind of treatment Bryant is getting." Of course, that doesn't explain why there are no police reports of anything having been stolen before all this came up, when English (the home-owner) would have had no reason to fear that sort of treatment.
 
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sir drinks-a-lot said:
I don't think any of us has the evidence to make that claim. It seems to me unlikely that he was out for a jog. Although he had reportedly jogged in the neighborhood before, he walked into the construction site, looked pretty relaxed (like he hadn't been jogging) while he was inside, and then ran our of there like a bat out of hell. To me this suggests he was spooked by something and knew he shouldn't be there.
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The early reports about Arbery jogging all the time was a woman who said she saw him running all the time around their Fancy Bluff neighborhood. Fancy Bluff is a road that runs north from Satilla Shores. I found an address that matches Arbery's mother's name and approximate age in that neighborhood. It would be about 2 miles from where he was shot. That would be about the half way point of a one hour run. Running down Fancy Bluff and around Satilla Shores would be a pretty good running route in that area.

Also note that after he left the house, if he was trying to run away, he was running the wrong way. He would have to run the other way to get off the peninsula, otherwise he has to run around to get back around.

I think the water theory is interesting. It might explain his almost obsession with going onto the property for months. He was confronted two weeks earlier, but he still went onto the property. So maybe he's looking around before he goes in because he wants to get a drink even though he knows he's not supposed to be in there.

Of course maybe he was jogging and looking for stuff to steal. But if he stole the fishing equipment, it seems odd that he would keep going back, especially after he had been confronted about being on the property. I would think he would want to distance himself from that crime. And we see the boat in the video, but he's not rummaging around in the boat. He's just sort of walking around and looking at things.

I am curious about why English has not released the full video from the day of the killing. There has to be more than the few seconds that have been released.
 
Leftus said:
Also, they did not catch him trespassing. As far as he knew, this was just an armed posse. A bunch of yahoos chasing him down for no reason.
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I think he had a pretty good idea why they were chasing him. He was confronted two weeks ago about being on English's property. Now here he is back on that property and when he leaves people immediately start chasing him down. And one of those people is the same guy that had previously confronted him. I think he knew it was related to him being on that property.
 
Disbelief said:
I've been following, I'm just wondering if there was also a verbal component that made it explicit that he had no other option. From the very beginning of this, I've believed this is murder and I am not looking to give these lunatics any leeway. Arbery had every right to defend himself whether anything was said or not, just curious if it was verbalized as well.
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I can't hear anything on the 911 call, but I'm not sure if the phone would have picked up anything Travis said. So we will probably never know.

Also note that Greg said in the police report that they had said "Stop, we want to talk to you." But the 911 calls show he yelled "Stop! [Watch?] it. Dammit, stop!"

I'm more curious about what Travis told Arbery on 2/11. Did he says something like, "If I see you around here again I'm going to kill you." If Travis had made a threat at that time, that would go a long way in explaining why Arbery attacked Travis; he thought Travis was going to make good on that threat.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
I think he had a pretty good idea why they were chasing him. He was confronted two weeks ago about being on English's property. Now here he is back on that property and when he leaves people immediately start chasing him down. And one of those people is the same guy that had previously confronted him. I think he knew it was related to him being on that property.
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Again, we have no evidence that the McMichaels were chasing him. The only released video of the killing shows that they were waiting for the jogger with guns drawn.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
I'm more curious about what Travis told Arbery on 2/11. Did he says something like, "If I see you around here again I'm going to kill you." If Travis had made a threat at that time, that would go a long way in explaining why Arbery attacked Travis; he thought Travis was going to make good on that threat.
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Based on the released video of the killing, it was Travis who first attacked Arbery and fired a shot directly at him from in front the truck.
 
dejudge said:
Again, we have no evidence that the McMichaels were chasing him. The only released video of the killing shows that they were waiting for the jogger with guns drawn.
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Earlier in this thread it was reported that the McMichaels attempted to corner Arbery earlier, but he ran in the other direction before their second, and successful attempt. So, yes, chasing.

I’m interested in why you are making this point though. Do you believe that if they were “just” waiting for him, they are less culpable?
 
dejudge said:
Again, we have no evidence that the McMichaels were chasing him. The only released video of the killing shows that they were waiting for the jogger with guns drawn.
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I think it is pretty evident the McMichaels were chasing him. That's what Greg says they were doing.

In the police report he says they were at their home when Greg saw him running down the street. They got their guns, got in the truck, and started chasing him. They pulled ahead of him to cut him off but he turned around and started running the other way. So they headed back and pulled ahead of him again to cut him off.

That is consistent with everything we see. In the video from across the street, shortly after Arbery runs past we can see what looks like a vehicle pulling out at what appears to be the McMichaels residence. Arbery is running up Satilla toward Holmes. Then in the murder video we see Roddy following Arbery, but Arbery is running down Holmes back toward Satilla. The McMichaels truck is now on Holmes facing back toward Satilla, indicated that they had gone up Holmes and then turned around and went back toward Satilla.

That is all consistent with what Greg said in the police report. And neither Roddy nor the police nor GBI nor Merritt have refuted those facts.
 
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