Jogging in Georgia while black.

[Meadmaker]

From Wikipedia:



ETA: For reference, Brunswick Georgia is 59.23% Black

Try living somewhere with that percentage some time. Check back with me.

That's really stupid.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

So, what you are saying then is that Aussies don't feel the need to have an armed populous because they have a very small number of immigrant black people, whereas because this part of Georgia is over 50% black it is natural that the white locals will want to have guns?

Yep. Slight modification though:

will want need to have guns

People can call me racist all they want about this, it's not like they haven't called me that 100 times already. Call it what you want, it's an acknowledgement of reality. Blacks have a very, very high crime rate - regardless of what any person wants to attribute that to, it remains a reality - and so if you want to be safe and have your items not get stolen, and you live around people with a very high crime rate, you need to be proactive about watching out for your neighborhood and you need to be armed.

 

[Meadmaker]

Yep. Slight modification though:



People can call me racist all they want about this, it's not like they haven't called me that 100 times already. Call it what you want, it's an acknowledgement of reality. Blacks have a very, very high crime rate - regardless of what any person wants to attribute that to, it remains a reality - and so if you want to be safe and have your items not get stolen, and you live around people with a very high crime rate, you need to be proactive about watching out for your neighborhood and you need to be armed.

I'm sure the McMichaels would agree with you.

You can write them in prison and commiserate together about the injustice of the world.

 

[carlitos]

So, what you are saying then is that Aussies don't feel the need to have an armed populous because they have a very small number of immigrant black people, whereas because this part of Georgia is over 50% black it is natural that the white locals will want to have guns?

It makes total sense.

The county where this guy was jogging is 68% white.
The town where this guy was not jogging is 59% black.
Blacks have lived in Georgia for 400 years.
There are very few black African immigrants in Australia.
Aboriginals have lived in Australia for 80,000 years.
Therefore everyone in Australia is armed with a boomerang and a kangaroo.
Checkmate, SJWs!

 

[JoeMorgue]

Also racism works backwards there because of the Coriolis Effect. That's just science.

 

[JoeMorgue]

It's been repeatedly demonstrated in this thread that they were not, as they had no reasonable grounds for suspicion that Arbery had committed anything more than a misdemeanor and no direct knowledge that he had committed even that. In your interpretation of the law, summary execution for dropping a crisp packet would be impossible to prosecute as a crime.

The problem is the "Racist We're Not Supposed to Talk To" is right, sorta.

That's the problem with the "Well the courts will decide if X is racially motivated" it stops working if you can find enough racists to pack a jury box which I'm going to assume it not impossible in Southern Georgia.

Again this is all the Lynching argument. "*Shrug* Well the jury said it's okay, watcha gonna do?" is the whole reason the Federal Government had to step in.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

My understanding is that the first call was made by Travis, the second one was made by Greg as they were in the truck tailing Ahmaud.

So I'm right in thinking that there is reason beyond "the skin color of all involved" to think there was a racial element to this crime. Thank you.

That phrase was not the entirety of that call, was it?

It was the entirety of what was said to the dispatcher. It was said at the start of the call, which lasted for nearly 5 minutes in its entirety.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...called-911-report-black-male-running-shooting

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Why do you keep bringing race into it?

I haven't mentioned that once.

And it is completely and utterly irrelevant to what I said.

Because he is a self-admitted racist.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Again, I can't understand the relevance of this to what I said.

To understand how he thinks it's relevant imagine that you honestly believed that black people were violent criminals, disproportionately so, and that the explanation for this was genetic. So Australia doesn't need people to go around executing people for minor offences because there aren't as many bad black people that the good white people need protection from.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Yep. Slight modification though:



People can call me racist all they want about this, it's not like they haven't called me that 100 times already. Call it what you want, it's an acknowledgement of reality. Blacks have a very, very high crime rate - regardless of what any person wants to attribute that to, it remains a reality - and so if you want to be safe and have your items not get stolen, and you live around people with a very high crime rate, you need to be proactive about watching out for your neighborhood and you need to be armed.

Because...?

I'm a white guy who lives in a city where the non white population is, while not over 50%, somewhere around 40% and I don't feel like I need a gun. I walk home at night after work (albeit not at the minute for obvious reasons) through an area that I would be quite confident in stating is at least 90% non white and I don't feel the need to have a gun.

Why does having a large number of black neighbours make sense for the white people to want guns? Why should they need them?

I'm pretty sure if you asked people in the UK if they felt they "need" guns, even if they live in a majority non white (or even black) neighbourhood, most of them would laugh in your face.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

If all they wanted to do was to get this guy arrested then anyone with even rudimentary intelligence could have achieved this without anyone getting hurt.

Especially since Arbrey was apparently known to McMichaels. One of the defences of him is that he recognised him from his career as a cop and therefore knew he was bad news.

Of course, if you know who someone is then you don't need to follow them at all. You can just tell the police who they are.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Again, and we saw this with the Guyver thread as well, we're for some reason forced to accept what the people who gunned down the black person claim about their state of mind as accurate without question.

We also have to accept the mind-reading of what the black person was thinking.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Again we are being told we have to start at "Well we asked the person are you a racist and they said no so I guess that's case closed" and stay there.

Well, in this case it's more like "The killers weren't racist, the authorities that tried to cover up the killing weren't racist, and nobody's racist because there's no such thing as racism, but the real problem is too many ******* and the whole thing was the ******'s fault."

Dave

 

[Meadmaker]

Also racism works backwards there because of the Coriolis Effect. That's just science.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Especially since Arbrey was apparently known to McMichaels. One of the defences of him is that he recognised him from his career as a cop and therefore knew he was bad news.
Of course, if you know who someone is then you don't need to follow them at all. You can just tell the police who they are.

FYI I have never found this even remotely likely.

The elder McMichael almost certainly didn't recognize Arbery. I would be flat out amazed if he did.

 

[Crossbow]

... snipped for relevance ...
People can call me racist all they want about this, it's not like they haven't called me that 100 times already. Call it what you want, it's an acknowledgement of reality. Blacks have a very, very high crime rate - regardless of what any person wants to attribute that to, it remains a reality - and so if you want to be safe and have your items not get stolen, and you live around people with a very high crime rate, you need to be proactive about watching out for your neighborhood and you need to be armed.

I find that one of the real problems racists have is that for some reason they believe that some other group is more likely to commit crimes than their own group.

However, that is just not true.

After all, Hitler was a white man who killed tens of millions.
Stalin was a white man who killed tens of millions.
George W. Bush was a white man who killed hundreds of thousands.
Trump is a white man who stole hundreds of millions of dollars.

And one can go on and on with such data.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

It was the entirety of what was said to the dispatcher. It was said at the start of the call, which lasted for nearly 5 minutes in its entirety.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...called-911-report-black-male-running-shooting

That was not the entirety of what was said. That's what he said before he got cut off by the 911 operator. If you listen to the recording you can hear that he keeps talking while the 911 operator is saying "Where at Satilla Shores?". I can't hear what he says, but he is saying something more.

I do find it suspicious that it appears that he put the phone on mute just when Travis and Arbery are engaging.

 

[Robin]

I know high crime areas. I grew up in Glasgow of the 60's and lived for years in East London.

One building site I was working on had all the window frames stolen one night. While we were working on it we got a 'no-knock" raid from the Bill because the previous occupants of the house were drug dealers and one gave it as his address when he was arrested.

My best friend had a terrified woman climb through his third floor window as she was escaping from the next door neighbour who was monstering her with a knife, also a major drug dealer. One night they were witness to to policemen getting a severe beating from two skinheads. My housemate had someone steal the contents of her backpack because he knew she couldn't fight back because she was heavily pregnant. We were a stones throw from Boleyn Ground and had every football hooligan from around the country in the area at some time.

And none of this had anything to do with race.

So here we have a situation in which some guy is suspected of having been inside an open building site - no theft reported so far, and somehow this is an excuse for a couple of imbeciles to go Dirty Harry with high powered weapons and kill him?

Give me a break.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

That was not the entirety of what was said. That's what he said before he got cut off by the 911 operator. If you listen to the recording you can hear that he keeps talking while the 911 operator is saying "Where at Satilla Shores?". I can't hear what he says, but he is saying something more.

I do find it suspicious that it appears that he put the phone on mute just when Travis and Arbery are engaging.

Theory?

"My son is entering into a life and death struggle with a man punching him and trying to take his shotgun, but time is slowing down for me like a Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock Holmes movie so I am realizing in this moment that the sounds which are about to happen may incriminate us, so I'll mute my phone"

?

My theory: he bumped it or put it in his pocket and audio was no longer picked up, or something.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Call it what you want, it's an acknowledgement of reality. Blacks have a very, very high crime rate - regardless of what any person wants to attribute that to, it remains a reality - and so if you want to be safe and have your items not get stolen, and you live around people with a very high crime rate, you need to be proactive about watching out for your neighborhood and you need to be armed.

So let me check this: it's OK for white people to fear black people because there's a well-known statistical difference between the crime rates among black and white people, but it's completely absurd for black people to fear white people because there's a long-standing history of pro-white and anti-black bias in a criminal justice system, to the point where in many states the killing of black people by white people was for a long time effectively decriminalized and is still considered a lesser crime than the killing of white people to the point that in this case the DA quashed the investigation on the grounds that there was no crime to investigate. And anyone who refers to the former point is simply encouraging white people to defend themselves in a perfectly reasonable way, whereas anyone who refers to the latter is a bleeding heart white liberal or a professional victim and they're fostering a self-destructive narrative that harms black people in the long run. Have I got that right? Or, at least, alt-right?

Dave