Cont: Jogging in Georgia while black - The Trial

Do you all feel that? You can see relief in the judge's face. There are a LOT of people feeling relief around the USA right now. Every police department in a city of any size, as well as business owners.

Atlanta police were talking about preparing for verdict earlier.

They all know, without a single doubt, that there is no fear of riots and destruction now.

That's how you know the verdict was wrong. That plus the 70 some days before they were ever charged. These facts are how you know they were charged for political / cowardice based reasons, and convicted for the same sorts of reasons.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Do you all feel that? You can see relief in the judge's face. There are a LOT of people feeling relief around the USA right now. Every police department in a city of any size, as well as business owners.

Atlanta police were talking about preparing for verdict earlier.

They all know, without a single doubt, that there is no fear of riots and destruction now.

That's how you know the verdict was wrong. That plus the 70 some days before they were ever charged. These facts are how you know they were charged for political / cowardice based reasons, and convicted for the same sorts of reasons.
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You're adorable.
 
Well, I guess those worries about the largely white jury have been put to rest.

Seems like justice was served.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
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That's how you know the verdict was wrong. That plus the 70 some days before they were ever charged. These facts are how you know they were charged for political / cowardice based reasons, and convicted for the same sorts of reasons.
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They weren't charged because two local prosecutors believed their lies. Then the video came out. Cold-blooded murder on a video card.
 
JoeMorgue said:
You're adorable.
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If the law and evidence indicated criminal charges were appropriate, it wouldn't have taken 70+ days. It wouldn't have taken attention from media and racial grievance figures.

The riots of last year and the whole George Floyd saga also basically make it impossible for these men to have gotten a fair trial with the jury only deciding based on facts in evidence / the law.

The fact that the jury knew there were crowds outside the courthouse, the fact that they knew there'd be nationwide riots if they found them not guilty, and the fact that they knew their identities could be revealed - these all mean that the trial was fundamentally illegitimate and incapable of being fair.
 
We've cracked the racist murder problem. We've just got to convince racists to get their murders on film every time and release the footage.

I humbly accept my Nobel Peace Prize.
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
If the law and evidence indicated criminal charges were appropriate, it wouldn't have taken 70+ days. It wouldn't have taken attention from media and racial grievance figures.
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And if they had been charged the next day people like you would be decrying a "rush to judgment" and demanding a thorough extended investigation. You'll play it any way that works for you, right?
 
Bob001 said:
I don't think I understand why there are multiple felony murder charges for each defendant. Isn't the legal question: "Was a murder committed, and did you participate?"
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The AP broke it down pretty well. Georgia doesn't have murder 1, 2, etc. It's either Malice Murder, or Felony Murder. If I understand it correctly, the charge varies depending on intent, and participation.
 
Bob001 said:
They weren't charged because two local prosecutors believed their lies. Then the video came out. Cold-blooded murder on a video card.
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But that's simply not what the video shows.

I see this all the time. Do you actually know what the term "cold blooded" placed before "murder" is supposed to mean and indicate? It's supposed to mean that someone chose to just simply execute another person when there was no reason, and when their own emotional state was calm and not elevated by fear or anger.

Dictionary.com says:

"without emotion or feeling; dispassionate; cruel"

So cold-blooded murder would be like, if Travis McMichael had pulled up alongside Ahmaud Arbery, who was just jogging along peacefully with headphones in, and blasted him with his shotgun from his truck window.

Or if Ahmaud had been running from them, tripped, sprained his ankle, and Travis hopped out of the truck, walked over to him, said "buh-bye, n-word!" and blasted him as he lay on the street.

When a man charges you and grabs at your shotgun and punches you, and you shoot him in reaction, that is the very definition of a HOT BLOODED situation. Both parties blood is pumping a thousand beats a second, both parties are thinking they might be about to die. There's anger, there's fury, and everything happens in a flash.

In a cold blooded murder, the killer might be certain that they'll end up killing the person 10 minutes before, 10 months before, 10 years before.

In this situation, until the very last second, Travis McMichael had no notion that he might end up shooting Ahmaud.
 
I haven't been more pleased at a verdict since George Floyd.

The part that sucks is how badly Georgia's racist policies are going to come back to haunt the McMichael's. When the state makes laws and enforces them to the detriment of PoC then you tend to have a larger population of PoC, some undeservedly so, in those prisons.

It's going to be a tough life in the Georgia state pen.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
And I can't wait for the caterwauling about how unfair it is. It's gonna be delicious.
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After work I'll be pouring out two fingers of Johnnie Walker Blue Label, which I got for Christmas last year, and sip it while thinking of them going back to their cells after this verdict.

Equally delicious.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
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In a cold blooded murder, the killer might be certain that they'll end up killing the person 10 minutes before, 10 months before, 10 years before.

In this situation, until the very last second, Travis McMichael had no notion that he might end up shooting Ahmaud.
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Premeditation doesn't require any specific passage of time. When McMichael pointed a shotgun at Arbery, he was prepared to kill.

Here's a question: Why weren't these ex-law enforcement good ol' boys packing pepper spray? Even that would have been unjustified, but nobody would have died.
 
Now for the charges against Jackie Johnson for burying the case in the first place.
 
Bob001 said:
Here's a question: Why weren't these ex-law enforcement good ol' boys packing pepper spray? Even that would have been unjustified, but nobody would have died.
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Because when you kill someone they can't tell their side of the story.
 
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