Jet engine of wrong type found near Ground Zero

NoahFence said:
You understand the vast majority of these video's were released same day?

It is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to accomplish what you think.

And you're PISSING ME OFF while urinating on the grave of those we lost that day, in the towers and in the aircraft. You best grow up quick.

AND PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND EVERYTHING DECENT IN THIS WORLD DO NOT BREED
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Hence, he has reached his goal.

Do yourself a favour: Close the browser, step outside and enjoy a world where 9/11 Truth is irrelevant.
 
beachnut said:
19 terrorists did 911, that is 19 people exactly, not a few, not many, 19. Math!

You make up lies based on hearsay you googled, used rense.com, the anti-intellectual moronic claims for those who can't figure out much of anything kind of garbage pit of delusions place.
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And you use the official 9/11 commission report? That the commission members themselves said was flawed, something like that.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Many of the amateur videos were staged. I have posted about that extensively.
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Proof please.

Anders Lindman said:
Zero true eyewitnesses of having seen a real plane.
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Proof please. To that I want to add, just because nobody "came forward" and said: " I saw a plane!", it doesn't mean all the thousands of eyewitnesses didn't see it. You know, I think the authorities kinda knew that planes hit the WTC.


While this gave me a nice laugh, it's just starting to piss me off, how blatantly ignorant someone can be.

ETA: Anders, do you realize, that many of the people that you claim to have been bribed, probably lost family/friends in that attack? You see, they don't tend to be easily bribable.
 
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Anders Lindman said:
No risk. There were probably many videos leaked that showed no plane, but those were quickly taken care of by bribery etc. And if some videos pop up today showing no plane, then people will simply say that those videos have been doctored and the plane edited out. Zero risk.
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"There were probably many videos leaked that showed no plane"? Seriously? Did you just actually type that with a straight face? and "those were quickly taken care of by bribery etc"?

Come on anders. Do you really think it would have been that easy? A leaked video to Al Jazeera was quickly bribed away? An anomalous video sent to the Chinese Embassy was quickly bribed away? A video hidden in a safe deposit box not to be opened unless somebody "disappears" could be just wiped away?
 
Anders Lindman said:
Zero true eyewitnesses of having seen a real plane.
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Got the planes on RADAR, darn, that beats eye witnesses, but on 911 we have eye witnesses who saw the planes and verify RADAR, which verifies witnesses, which is seen on videos. Three forms of reality based evidence which you dismiss due to your fantasy, hearsay and lies.

Do you think before you post lies? Do you?
jujigatami said:
Russell,

I was at the WTC on 9/11.

I witnessed the entire chain of events.

I wrote a summary of what I saw for Gravy's WTC7 paper. I'll post it here (its a little long though):

I saw both planes hit. I would commute from NJ. Sometimes I'd take the PATH train from Hoboken, on nice days I'd take the ferry. 9/11 was a beautiful morning, and I took the ferry. I got off the ferry at the World financial center and began walking to my office on 45 Broadway. To do this, you have to walk DIRECTLY toward WTC1 As I was walking I heard a jets roar. I looked up. Now [feel free to delete this if it will make CT’ers take it out of context] I expected it to me some sort of military plane since every now and then military jets do fly down the Hudson river. IT WAS NOT. I saw a huge jetliner fly over me and SLAM IN TO THE TOWER!!! I had a PERFECT vantage point. Even then, I couldn’t actually process what I had seen. I kept thinking it couldn’t have been an American Airlines plane, sure that’s what I saw, but it just couldn’t have been. It had to be something else.

I didn't know what to do. Should I get back on the ferry and go home or should I go to my office? I went to my office. I found a group of co-workers standing behind our building on Greenwich and Rector street looking at the burning building, and we started talking about what happened. Some saw the crash, and some just saw the fire. The ones that didn't see the crash didn't believe me and those of us that did see it that it was a jetliner. They assumed, as I did before I saw the plane, that it was a private or military plane. They couldn't imagine it was a jetliner. Of course, they didn't actually see what I and the others did.

We all thought it had to be an accident. I was talking about how the buildings are designed to survive a hit like this and how it would be OK.

Smoke was pouring out, debris was flying everywhere, we were joking around saying its like Godzilla has attacked. We were all looking up at the towers. From our vantage point we had a perfect view of both towers (google map 45 Broadway and you'll see where I was).

It was then when the second plane flew over us and slammed in to the south tower. The force of the blast knocked a couple of people standing with to the ground.

That’s when we all realized we were under attack.

My coworker looked at me and said "was that another airliner?" I said yeah, I thought it was a US Airways plane, but another coworker said it was a United plane.

For the next few minutes, we were standing there basically saying "Holy ****!" over and over again, trying to decide what to do now. That’s when we heard another jet. Me and one of my coworkers went to hit the deck, but another coworker (who had been in the Israeli Air Force) said NO, that’s an F-16. Sure enough an F-16 flew by.

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Thousands of eye witnesses, and you are stuck with failed delusions.
 
Anders Lindman said:
twinstead said:
Exactly how were "They" supposed to know how many people had cameras that day? Sounds pretty risky to me.
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No risk. There were probably many videos leaked that showed no plane, but those were quickly taken care of by bribery etc. And if some videos pop up today showing no plane, then people will simply say that those videos have been doctored and the plane edited out. Zero risk.
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How much money would it take to bribe you?

Anders Lindman said:
Zero true eyewitnesses of having seen a real plane.
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You do know that there are members of this forum that actually saw the plane hit the WTC, right?
 
This whole bribery thing is total nonsense.

Let's assume I was there that fateful day, with my camera and just happened to film the whole thing. No planes. Right. So of course I am shocked by this, seeing that the official story says there were planes, and of course the "doctored" footage!

So let's assume I keep that footage, cause you see, anybody with a sane mind would smell conspiracy if indeed he had clear footage of the towers being hit by nothing. Who would I turn to in that situation? Exactly, the "truthers". Now may I ask you Anders: Are you bribable? Do you think all the other "truthers"are bribable? After all, you must call yourselves thruthers for a reason. And you hate teh evul NWO.

Anders, This is baloney and you know it.
 
A bit off topic: Listen to this interview with the cameraman who took the FOX News footage from the helicopter of the alleged second plane impact into WTC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YREMxZRx090

He didn't see a plane, but was told by the pilot about the plane? :confused:

I have another theory: The cameraman did a very precise zoom in in stages. Notice the last stage where he zooms in close to the tower, and then suddenly zooms in a bit extra, and PRECISELY at that moment after the extra zoom the plane appears at the right edge. First no plane at all, and then the sudden popup of a plane after exactly the extra very brief zoom sequence. That was timed to make it possible to synchronize the 2D computer graphics insertion.
 
Drs_Res said:
How much money would it take to bribe you?



You do know that there are members of this forum that actually saw the plane hit the WTC, right?
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I would be silent without taking any money. Better that then ending up with a bullet in the head.

People on this forum saw the plane? Yeah, right, on television that is.
 
Anders Lindman said:
My theory is that those who carried out the 9/11 attacks were very few people. Here it's important to stress that I make a clear distinction between those who carried out the 9/11 attacks (shadow government/powers) and those who initially were innocent and were forced to do the massive coverup (the U.S. government, media, corporations, academia etc). Plus I'm not sure that the events at the Pentagon and near Shanksville were a part of the initial attacks.
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Do you even read what you post anymore? Do you have any idea how incredibly silly and embarrassing for you it is to write something like that?
 
Of course you would go off-topic :rolleyes:

Alright. So the cameraman was told by the pilot that another plane was coming. He zoomed in. On the WTC, keeping both towers centered. I don't see how that is odd in any way. Even if he indeed didn't know the plane was coming, it would make perfect sense to zoom in on the towers.

And before you go on about how the plane appears to move choppy. It's called frame rate.
 
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Anders Lindman said:
I'm a bit doubtful about Rense.com as a source myself, but I would like to see evidence that proves the claim wrong.
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I'm sorry, but logic does not work this way.

You don't get to claim that the President is really a unicorn in disguise, provide no evidence other than the paranoid ramblings of a drunken street bum, and then demand that other people prove you wrong. The burden of proof goes to the one making the claim.
 
Quad4_72 said:
Do you even read what you post anymore? Do you have any idea how incredibly silly and embarrassing for you it is to write something like that?
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It needs a bit more explanation. To most people, saying that no plane hit the Pentagon sounds completely unbelievable. And to say that no planes hit the World Trade Center, that's something even Alex Jones and his obedient followers think is completely crazy. And I understand that position, but after having looked at it more closely, then yes, I believe the no plane theory is the most plausible. How? For those new to the idea, start for example by watching this short clip about how the videos showing the plane could have been faked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNXmgF2yAEc
 
Anders Lindman said:
I would be silent without taking any money. Better that then ending up with a bullet in the head.
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So, you have absolute proof that it's all a lie, but you would let them get away with it, yet, here you are exposing the "truth" that it's all a lie. Riiiiiiiiight.

Anders Lindman said:
People on this forum saw the plane? Yeah, right, on television that is.
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No, in person.
 
1337m4n said:
I'm sorry, but logic does not work this way.

You don't get to claim that the President is really a unicorn in disguise, provide no evidence other than the paranoid ramblings of a drunken street bum, and then demand that other people prove you wrong. The burden of proof goes to the one making the claim.
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One proof is that there is no official statement confirming that the jet engine is of the correct type.
 
Drs_Res said:
So, you have absolute proof that it's all a lie, but you would let them get away with it, yet, here you are exposing the "truth" that it's all a lie. Riiiiiiiiight.



No, in person.
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It's different to have real hard evidence, like actual video recordings than to post theories on the Internet. lol. If I had ACTUAL evidence, I would probably crap in my pants.
 
Greedo said:
Of course you would go off-topic :rolleyes:

Alright. So the cameraman was told by the pilot that another plane was coming. He zoomed in. On the WTC, keeping both towers centered. I don't see how that is odd in any way. Even if he indeed didn't know the plane was coming, it would make perfect sense to zoom in on the towers.

And before you go on about how the plane appears to move choppy. It's called frame rate.
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But you can't deny the exact timing of the extra small zoom-in sequence. That's waaay suspicious imo. Besides, why didn't he FOLLOW the plane with the camera? Did the pilot really only notice the plane when it was that close?! :confused: Mightily suspicious if you ask me.
 
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