Paulhoff
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How can someone be TOTALLY ONE SIDED as you say and UNABLE TO STAND FOR ANYTHING at the same time.
Paul
Jesus created Sex
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RandFan
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Logic, not for the faint of heart. Kids don't try this at home.How can someone be TOTALLY ONE SIDED as you say and UNABLE TO STAND FOR ANYTHING at the same time.
Paul
If you only have one side, you have to be very carefully balanced (which lets out DJ) or glued into position (which is probable for DJ) to stand for any thing. Since DJ is one sided (one dimensional) he must, unless he is glued down, not be really standing for anything which is what I have said all along - I should thank him for phrasing his situation so well for me.How can someone be TOTALLY ONE SIDED as you say and UNABLE TO STAND FOR ANYTHING at the same time.
Paul
But I won't - trolls annoy me.
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bruto
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DJJ, I have asked pointed and pertinent questions directly relating to the subject of this thread, basing my comments on Christian teaching. You continually claim that nobody here is asking questions to the subject, and nobody here answers your posts. That is a lie. If you are really bothered by being called a liar, a good first step would be to stop lying and start responding to actual questions.
Foster Zygote
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Or at least stop claiming that no one has asked any relevant questions.
Athyrio
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Looking back over the nearly 2 months now of your visitation, i have to ask you how you ever hoped to achieve the above goal with anyone, and how you could possibly win anyone over now.
End times, 144,000 people to gather in the rock city of Petra, to cross the Jordan river to get there with the water held back by God, to be fed there by angels, to be led by somebody named King David who can shoot fire out of his mouth, demons descending in UFO's, demonic possession of humans, the Illuminati, the NWO, an anti-Christ who gets killed, then is brought back to life and suddenly, suddenly everybody decides to worship him because of that, numerology, supposed harmony of dates and music and distances from one celestial object to another, clues to the shape of heaven having been left in the Great Pyramid which was, incidentally, built by none other than Elijah ... i could go on and on.
The point is - did you really think anyone here was going to buy one single theory of yours when something so outlandish as that is presented? Is that how you were taught to "win souls", with a scattergun approach of fantastic tales?
i don't think your intent was ever to win souls here, to change people's minds about their beliefs. You wanted some recognition for your obvious years of tedious research in a labor of nothingness. i've seen other forums where you presented your fantasies, some more accepting than this one, and you got the same response. You get it everywhere you go. What kind of people is it that you hang around that makes you think any of this stuff is even remotely believable? Is it your own family?
i don't worry if the USA gets it on with Iran. That's just the way things are in that area of the planet. Hell, the USA invaded Grenada and waltzed into Panama and busted El Presidente. If it happens, it happens, but monkeys will fly out of my butt before some dude spews fire out of his mouth hot enough to consume people.
i would suggest that you review your method of winning souls. Your current style may not be the best way to do it. But again, i don't think that's why you came here in the first place, and now you only stick around as a matter of pride.
Can you provide a link to these questions? I want to add them to the LL.
Hokulele
Deleterious Slab of Damnation
I know Bruto wanted to make DJJ look this up for himself, but since DJJ never clicks other people's links, and since I think he has me on Ignore by now, here you go!
Thank you
.David, can you please answer the following questions:
1) You know we are not afraid of your warnings. Why do you continue to warn us we are "going against God's will and will be punished"?
2) Evolution is not a system of "luck and chance". This has been explained to you multiple times. Why do you continue to lie about this?
3) You continue to claim that skeptics "believe in nothing and know nothing", but this has been explained to you to be wrong multiple times. Why do you continue to lie about this.
4) How far away is the moon from the earth?
5) No one has ever claimed to not know where buildings come from. This has been explained to you multiple times. Why do you continue to lie about this?
6) Do you have any scientific evidence for a designer?
7) Do you have any scientific evidence that the bible was written by God?
8) Why is there an elaborate production of being born long after creation, long after sex had been invented, perverted, transgressed against, punished, etc.?
9) What is the nature of somebody before that somebody is embodied and becomes a part of nature?
10) God is said to have created nature. How can God be a part of nature?
11) How can God have a "nature"?
12) How can God be his own creation and still be omnipotent, eternal and perfect?
13) If jesus existed before he or his mother was born, how can he have been his mother's son?
14) Who, or what, is Jesus?
15) It is possible to believe in sex without believing in Jesus, and it's even possible to believe in Jesus without believing that he invented sex. You do realize that, don't you?
bruto
Penultimate Amazing
I actually have both repeated and re-linked my question numerous times just to insure that DJJ would find it without having to work too hard. A later version elaborates a little bit, and, though I think Taffer's list is complete enough, I'll re-paste that version one more time:
I was actually going to ask to you do so. The questions help to have context.
Hokulele
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Thank you
Always happy to help. I'm glad Bruto stopped by to clarify his questions.
Davidjayjordan
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You still haven't answered my question in link-free plain English ignoring the evidence so far, I will credit you with the capacity to do so. If Jesus was Jesus from the start, what is being said, when Christians speak of Jesus as the son of Mary, linked by maternity to the house of David? ((Jesus was born in the flesh to Mary.... but always existed in the Spirit...as he was from the Beginning..or as he said.Before Abraham was, I am. Jesus was the great I AM. I thought I gave you that exact hyperlink that went over this in detail...and it wasn;t even mine. Besides I also gave you my two hyperlinks concerning this. Are you sure you studied them or did you avoid them)) When Christians characterize Jesus as "the word made flesh," what are they saying? ((The Word is the direct words of the Almighty.. simple enough... from Genesis til Now to the future))) The Biblical account is that Jesus was a man, born of a woman. (((And from the Beginning))) Most Christians consider this distinction to be an important one. ((True as Jesus was more than a mere man))) A specific, and unambiguous act of God: (((Jesus is God, there is no distinction between the rather loose terminology God and Jesus. jesus was the ALMIGHTY. Three in One Trinity.. Isaiah 9: 6))) that Jesus's existence was a human one, his life a human one, and his death as genuine as any death could be. ((Yes human but divine, God in man if you choose that terminology)))Without the true sacrifice of his death, and the miracle of resurrection, Christianity would be something else entirely. ((Yes))Jesus's spiritual essence or whatever you wish to call it, may have been there all along -must have been if you believe in the trinity- ((YES)), but if you believe in Jesus Christ, the man, the messiah who was predicted by the prophets -not seen by them on earth-, the personality who lived on earth and died on the cross, then whatever it was that existed before Jesus the man was conceived and born cannot have been the man who was born, etc. (( You don't make sense HERE, try rephrasing your query if it in fact is a question... There is a spirit world, and Jesus existing in it before this material world is readily understandable. )))
Can you respond to this without resorting to irrelevant quotes, rants and Jeremiads about nonbelievers, links to your web pages, (((MY web hypers are to answer specific questions not for advertising, so why should I re-expalin what I have already explained in that article. be huimble enough to realise some of your questions are asked by others and therefore answered previously)))or spurious nonsense? It's a specific issue, with no atheistic content. You bluster on about false skeptics and atheists, apparently determined to believe that nobody can disagree with you and be anything but a nihilist and atheist. (((No just false skeptics..... and people can change from being false skeptics and become true skeptics, and find real answers))
My personal belief or lack of it is irrelevant, as always, to the question of whether your ideas are valid. I ask the question above without any atheistic or nihilistic twist. Whatever my personal faith or lack thereof, it can be taken as a simple Christian to Christian question. Can you answer it intelligently and intelligibly?
So try http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/MessianicPropheciesfulfilledbyJesus.html
As these talk about the prophets prophecies that showed the qualities of Jesus and even the time of His birth.
http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/TimeProphecy.html
You still haven't answered my question in link-free plain English ignoring the evidence so far, I will credit you with the capacity to do so. If Jesus was Jesus from the start, what is being said, when Christians speak of Jesus as the son of Mary, linked by maternity to the house of David? ((Jesus was born in the flesh to Mary.... but always existed in the Spirit...as he was from the Beginning..or as he said.Before Abraham was, I am. Jesus was the great I AM. I thought I gave you that exact hyperlink that went over this in detail...and it wasn;t even mine. Besides I also gave you my two hyperlinks concerning this. Are you sure you studied them or did you avoid them)) When Christians characterize Jesus as "the word made flesh," what are they saying? ((The Word is the direct words of the Almighty.. simple enough... from Genesis til Now to the future))) The Biblical account is that Jesus was a man, born of a woman. (((And from the Beginning))) Most Christians consider this distinction to be an important one. ((True as Jesus was more than a mere man))) A specific, and unambiguous act of God: (((Jesus is God, there is no distinction between the rather loose terminology God and Jesus. jesus was the ALMIGHTY. Three in One Trinity.. Isaiah 9: 6))) that Jesus's existence was a human one, his life a human one, and his death as genuine as any death could be. ((Yes human but divine, God in man if you choose that terminology)))Without the true sacrifice of his death, and the miracle of resurrection, Christianity would be something else entirely. ((Yes))Jesus's spiritual essence or whatever you wish to call it, may have been there all along -must have been if you believe in the trinity- ((YES)), but if you believe in Jesus Christ, the man, the messiah who was predicted by the prophets -not seen by them on earth-, the personality who lived on earth and died on the cross, then whatever it was that existed before Jesus the man was conceived and born cannot have been the man who was born, etc. (( You don't make sense HERE, try rephrasing your query if it in fact is a question... There is a spirit world, and Jesus existing in it before this material world is readily understandable. )))
Can you respond to this without resorting to irrelevant quotes, rants and Jeremiads about nonbelievers, links to your web pages, (((MY web hypers are to answer specific questions not for advertising, so why should I re-expalin what I have already explained in that article. be huimble enough to realise some of your questions are asked by others and therefore answered previously)))or spurious nonsense? It's a specific issue, with no atheistic content. You bluster on about false skeptics and atheists, apparently determined to believe that nobody can disagree with you and be anything but a nihilist and atheist. (((No just false skeptics..... and people can change from being false skeptics and become true skeptics, and find real answers))
My personal belief or lack of it is irrelevant, as always, to the question of whether your ideas are valid. I ask the question above without any atheistic or nihilistic twist. Whatever my personal faith or lack thereof, it can be taken as a simple Christian to Christian question. Can you answer it intelligently and intelligibly?
So try http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/MessianicPropheciesfulfilledbyJesus.html
As these talk about the prophets prophecies that showed the qualities of Jesus and even the time of His birth.
http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/TimeProphecy.html
Hokulele
Deleterious Slab of Damnation
No, that is not simple enough. It doesn't mean anything. You are saying that Jesus was a bunch of words?
Davidjayjordan
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Thank you
David, can you please answer the following questions:
1) You know we are not afraid of your warnings. Why do you continue to warn us we are "going against God's will and will be punished"?
)))Cause i love you, and some people get so out of control they hurt themselves. So a warning is hardly obnoxious but a sign of concern.)))
2) Evolution is not a system of "luck and chance". This has been explained to you multiple times. Why do you continue to lie about this? (((NO true scoence differs with the religion of luck and chance that is encorporated into evolution.))
3) You continue to claim that skeptics "believe in nothing and know nothing", but this has been explained to you to be wrong multiple times. Why do you continue to lie about this. (((Cause it is true. SEE True skeptics are conspiracy theorists for details))
4) How far away is the moon from the earth? ((( IN sacred geometry and all esoterics it is 216,000 miles, and which was proven by the barry center which I just found. Amazing amazing.. SEE 432 thread on Math Board)))
5) No one has ever claimed to not know where buildings come from. This has been explained to you multiple times. Why do you continue to lie about this? (((NO they are still trying to figure out if it takes a builder to have a building, or a designer to have DESIGN)))
6) Do you have any scientific evidence for a designer? (((Yes SEE my Creation, Math, Music, geography, earth, Science Boards.. start HERE
http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/index.html ))
7) Do you have any scientific evidence that the bible was written by God?
((Personal direct experiences , personal direct experimentation and proofs)))
8) Why is there an elaborate production of being born long after creation, long after sex had been invented, perverted, transgressed against, punished, etc.? ((Rephrase to make this a coherant question))
9) What is the nature of somebody before that somebody is embodied and becomes a part of nature? ((As above ))
10) God is said to have created nature. How can God be a part of nature?
((Jesus is the Creator of Nature. nature is not a God.)))
11) How can God have a "nature"? ((SEE 8))
12) How can God be his own creation and still be omnipotent, eternal and perfect? ((Mind game)))
13) If jesus existed before he or his mother was born, how can he have been his mother's son? (((See previous answers))
14) Who, or what, is Jesus? ((The Messiah, Deliverer, The Bread of Life, ressurrection and Life, truth, the Way, etc etc etc etc...... Jesus is God, the Creator))
15) It is possible to believe in sex without believing in Jesus, (Sure Lots of people do)))and it's even possible to believe in Jesus without believing that he invented sex.(((Again lots of people do..)) You do realize that, don't you?
But what is truth, is not a mind game because it gets back to a fundamental principle and knowing that principle is a stepping stone to more liberation, more stability, more inspiration, and more knowledge and more ... and more .....
Hokulele
Deleterious Slab of Damnation
Unlike your postings.
Which has also been proven to be wrong. Define barycenter. If you do not define barycenter in your own words, no links, no quote, I will assume you have no idea what it means.
RandFan
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We have been over this before. Every religion provides proof to the followers that the religion is true and correct. It's the only thing that answers the question why religious adherents of most religions are willing to kill and die for relgion.
BTW, relgious belief is a parasite like the Lancet Fluke. It ensures its existence by building defenses against reason and logic. Like the Lancet Fluke it alters the behavior of its host to serve the parasite.
When infected with the fluke an ant will cling to a blade of grass waiting to be eaten by a sheep or cow because the life cycle of the fluke requires that it be eaten by a ruminant. Check it out.
Thank you for answering the questions, David, my respect for you has grown.
Ok, I accept this. You just come off, sometimes, as someone who is trying to scare us into your belief system. Obviously, this won't work very well, as most posters on this forum have come to their conclusions about religious beliefs after years of thought. Myself, for example, I am not afraid of being punished by God. However, if you are doing this because you truely fear for our souls, then fair enough.
I will extend the same invitation to you that I have to Jesus_Freak. If you have any questions about evolutionary theory, for example how it works, then please say so, and I shall make a dedicated thread and answer any questions you have to the full of my knowledge. Please note, evolutionary theory is not based on "luck and chance", and is far from "luck and chance". If you don't understand this, then perhaps I shall make the thread?
No, David, it is not true at all. However, if you wish to debate this issue, I shall create a seperate thread about it. I do not wish to continue the discussion on the thread you linked me to. Say the word, and I will create a thread for you.
Actually, it has been explained to you multiple times that you are incorrect. The moon is not 216,000 miles from the earth. Neither is the "barry center". We have told you this, over, and over, again. Why do you just ignore the fact that you are completely wrong?
That isn't the discussion at all. The discussion was about how do we tell if something is designed or not. Saying "a building has a designer" is circular. "Building" implies "builder". But that wasn't what the thread was about. You are wrong.
If you continue to claim an incorrect value for the distance between the earth and the moon, then why should we trust the rest of your values?
I'm happy you have found something you like. However, I asked for scientific evidence. Experiences are not scientific evidence. If you have any, perhaps you could give it to us?
I apologize. Bruto has explained this question above, so if you wish, you can just answer this question in response to him.
If God existed before nature, and yet is a part of nature, what was he before he created nature?
So God did not create nature?
If God created nature, but is a part of nature, what was he before nature existed?
I'm sorry, this does not answer the question. How can God be his own creation and still be omnipotent, eternal and perfect?
I'm sorry, this does not answer the question. How can Jesus have existed before his own birth?
So Jesus is God, not God? Then who is God, the big fella in the sky?
Indeed.
bruto
Penultimate Amazing
Pretty unconvincing, to say the least, but at least I will now stop hounding you about addressing my question. I do not find your answer either informative or credible. It dodges the points more than addressing them, simply repeating the same statements that led to my asking it in the first place. Your version makes the life and death of Jesus on earth little more than a divine parlor trick, but that is a problem and paradox shared by many other Christians, so you're certainly not alone.
OK, back to our regularly scheduled linkdump.
Gord_in_Toronto
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Do you really expect a reply?
Do you really expect a reply from DJJ for these? For any one?
I mean, other "see this link on my geocities website?
Do you really expect a reply from DJJ for these? For any one?
I mean, other "see this link on my geocities website?