In what way is it damaging to the psyche?
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In what way is it damaging to the psyche?
bruto
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I'm surprised that you should find anything in the universe "almost innumerable." You aren't trying hard enough. I'm sure there's a nice round number for it.
bruto
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So why the elaborate production of being born long after creation, long after sex had been invented, perverted, transgressed against, punished, etc.?
What is the nature of somebody before that somebody is embodied and becomes a part of nature? God is said to have created nature. Can God be a part of nature? Can God have a "nature?" Can God be his own creation and still be omnipotent, eternal and perfect? Jesus can have a nature insofar as he was a human being. The bible, though a bit muddled on the biology of the transaction, is pretty clear that Jesus was biologically the son of Mary. Her egg. Her womb. And specifically, explicitly her human lineage, traceable back to the house of David. That's an important detail, consistent throughout the prophecies that foretell the messiah. Without that, you've got a big problem. If he existed before he or his mother was born, how can he have been his mother's son? Putting Jesus at the beginning makes a terrible mess of the Gospels. You really ought to make up your mind. Who and what is your Jesus? If he was there all along from the beginning, the whole story doesn't make any sense at all.
I don't think anyone is questioning the existence of sex. You know, it is possible to believe in sex without believing in Jesus, and it's even possible to believe in Jesus without believing that he invented sex. You do realize that, don't you?
bruto
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Actually, I realize this was a foolish thread to start posting anything remotely intelligent in, and I apologize for falling for the bait once again. Since I am not sure this thread can be salvaged either by kittens or recipes, it's time for the double-whammy:
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Jesus is never mentioned in the old testament. You think an all power God would be able to tell us his only sons name.
But that requires that an all-powerful, all-knowing dog exist --and not pre-forget about that disappointment of a son!!! And, say, talking about disappointments, that character who started this silliness here!! What a bore!Even for a troll he's just an annoying little (pick your idea of really low lifeform).
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bruto
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A petty detail. But you don't have to be anti-religious or anti-Christian to consider DJJ's idea bunk. It's not a question of whether he was a "mere" man, but whether he was a man at all, or whether he was merely the word. Christians say that Jesus was the word made flesh. The flesh part is an important detail. He was born, lived and died a real death, without which the whole message,, the whole miracle and sacrifice is devoid of meaning. You can argue the oddity of the whole thing, its contradictions and unlikelihood till the cows come home, but if you're a Christian, saying Jesus as an individual was around from the creation misses the whole point. You can say "the word" was around from the creation, and all you're saying is that God was there. The word wasn't Jesus Christ until he was born (or conceived, for those in that camp) . Ecce Homo.
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Jesus always was...
SEE http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/christot.htm
but you wouldn;t really know this until you meet him personnally, to prove it for yourself
http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Salvation.html
Sorry, got to fly to class.. or with class
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The usual argument by URL, which I will not play at. So when Christians use the term "the word made flesh" to characterize Jesus, they are lying? When Jesus is characterized as the son of Mary, from the lineage of the house of David, this is a falsehood? Try to give a straight and comprehensible answer in words, not URL's.
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I agree. Zeus knows why I keep posting on the DJJ threads - it's a complete waste of time.
Around and around and around it goes, where it will stop, nobody knows.
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Lets make it a little easier because this thread is about sex rather than basic Christianity that many of you lack. Hence you should start new threads, even though I sometimes answer you because an answer might help readers rather than yourselves as obviously most of you posters are not sincere in your questions. And you won't invest even a few minutes in search and study.
Nevertheless again, if you read the last hyperlink about Jesus being present in the Old testament, then you can easily understand that the Bride of Christ was also seen in the Old testament in numerous scriptures. Why because Christians are married to the Lord... a love relationship.
Bride of Christ in the Old Testament
( Hosea 2 )
[SIZE=-1] [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]The Bride of Christ is not a new concept but something that has
always been talked about since the beginning of scriptures and the
beginning of time. For even Adam, the first man, knew the only way
back to the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Garden[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] was only through faith in the 'Son of Man'. And
so he taught his good seed, about the coming of the 'Son of Man' (SEE
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Adam's Easter Prophecy[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]) And if you didn't know it, the believers or
faithful ones in the Son, those married to Him in Spirit were part of
His all-powerful Name. As Yahweh's last letter (YHWH) or final H or 'He' in Hebrew is feminine, and is referred as the Bride of the 'Son of Man', the Bride of the Bridegroom. This made His Name, complete from Father, to Mother the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Feminine Holy Spirit[/SIZE][SIZE=-1], to Son ([/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Jesus[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]) and then to His Virgin Bride. They all being One in the End, into Eternity
For the Old Testament believers received the exact same [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Grace and Mercy[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] from the Lord who was from the very Beginning, as we have.. For it has always been by [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]'Choice'[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] rather than by heritage or bloodlines, (as illustrated by evil Cain, disobedient Esau, etc etc.) The good 'Old Testament'seed always having to choose and believe in the Messiah to come, whereas we have believed in the Messiah that has come ... and His Name is Jesus (in English). So whether, His Bride was in the Old or New testament times, we all have had to choose to be 'chosen'. For no one is a chosen people, no one is His Bride unless they individually choose His Righteousness rather than their own. (SEE [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]She shall be called, 'The Lord our Righteousness'[/SIZE][SIZE=-1])
The 'believers' in the Old Testament' are our brethren in the Lord as said so eloquently in Hebrews Chapter 11, because it has always taken '[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Faith[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]' to please the Bridegroom. And they without us, are incomplete. We are not a separate vine from them, for there has always only been ONE VINE, and that is the Messiah that was to come and has come and who will reign forever... JESUS. For it is our job to continue spreading His Words just as was their job before us. We have to '[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Gather[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]' the lost sheep of the House of spiritual Israel as the Lord himself said. We areto join as ONE Fold, into '[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]His Encampment[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]' for the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]End-Time[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]. Where we await the coming of our Bridegroom in the air, for our [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Wedding Feast[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] in the Heavenlies.
The Lord's Bride is the woman in the wilderness who is protected and feed for 1260 days in preparing to meet her husband. She is the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]144,000[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] virgin brides that are wed to the King of Kings as his Bride. (SEE Rev 12, and [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]New Nation[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]) For the obedient Bride isn't composed of the disobedient or the nationalistic but those Christians from whatever background, culture, tribe, or nation that love Him with all their heart. It is a matter not of having the right bloodlines, but being washed in the 'Blood of the lamb' (SEE [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Salvation[/SIZE][SIZE=-1])
But let's go over almost a whole Chapter to show you this principle straight from an Old Testament Prophet...Hosea, who was told to marry a harlot, to show the Lord's love. My comments will be in .....(...)
Hosea 2:1-23
5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she thatconceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink. (Yes, the greatest whoredom is giving credit for our lives to things and materialism and a different God than our [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Creator[/SIZE][SIZE=-1])
6 Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths. 7 And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them: then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband; for then was it better with me than now. (Compare this exact same parallel with the lovers of the Whore, the materialistic nuclear power of Revelation 13,17,18) 8 For she did not know that I gave her corn, and wine, and oil, and multiplied her silver and gold, which they prepared for Baal. 9 Therefore will I return, and take away my corn in the time thereof, and my wine in the season thereof, and will recover my wool and my flax given to cover her nakedness. 10 And now will I discover her lewdness in the sight of her lovers, and none shall deliver her out of mine hand. (And none shall deliver the End-Time Whore out of the hand of the Lord as He punishes her with a fire in one hour. For she was drunk with power from her spiritual fornication with her many merchants)
11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts. 12 And I will destroy her vines and her fig trees, whereof she hath said, These are my rewards that my lovers have given me: and I will make them a forest, and the beasts of the field shall eat them. 13 And I will visit upon her the days of Baalim, wherein she burned incense to them, and she decked herself with her earrings and her jewels, and she went after her lovers, and forgat me, saith the LORD. (Yes America, and the rest of the nations will totally forget the Lord and His giving them their abundance, and will totally succumb to the false religion of materialism and this present life. And they shall accept the false Christ, the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Anti-Christ.
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]So if interested in going on further with Hosea and more exact and precise references to the Bride of Christ in the Old Testament and the Bridegroom'sProphecies concerning their eventual Union...please Click on [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]PART 2 of the Bride of Christ in the Old Testament[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
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Nevertheless again, if you read the last hyperlink about Jesus being present in the Old testament, then you can easily understand that the Bride of Christ was also seen in the Old testament in numerous scriptures. Why because Christians are married to the Lord... a love relationship.
Bride of Christ in the Old Testament
( Hosea 2 )
[SIZE=-1] [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]The Bride of Christ is not a new concept but something that has
always been talked about since the beginning of scriptures and the
beginning of time. For even Adam, the first man, knew the only way
back to the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Garden[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] was only through faith in the 'Son of Man'. And
so he taught his good seed, about the coming of the 'Son of Man' (SEE
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Adam's Easter Prophecy[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]) And if you didn't know it, the believers or
faithful ones in the Son, those married to Him in Spirit were part of
His all-powerful Name. As Yahweh's last letter (YHWH) or final H or 'He' in Hebrew is feminine, and is referred as the Bride of the 'Son of Man', the Bride of the Bridegroom. This made His Name, complete from Father, to Mother the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Feminine Holy Spirit[/SIZE][SIZE=-1], to Son ([/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Jesus[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]) and then to His Virgin Bride. They all being One in the End, into Eternity
For the Old Testament believers received the exact same [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Grace and Mercy[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] from the Lord who was from the very Beginning, as we have.. For it has always been by [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]'Choice'[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] rather than by heritage or bloodlines, (as illustrated by evil Cain, disobedient Esau, etc etc.) The good 'Old Testament'seed always having to choose and believe in the Messiah to come, whereas we have believed in the Messiah that has come ... and His Name is Jesus (in English). So whether, His Bride was in the Old or New testament times, we all have had to choose to be 'chosen'. For no one is a chosen people, no one is His Bride unless they individually choose His Righteousness rather than their own. (SEE [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]She shall be called, 'The Lord our Righteousness'[/SIZE][SIZE=-1])
The 'believers' in the Old Testament' are our brethren in the Lord as said so eloquently in Hebrews Chapter 11, because it has always taken '[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Faith[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]' to please the Bridegroom. And they without us, are incomplete. We are not a separate vine from them, for there has always only been ONE VINE, and that is the Messiah that was to come and has come and who will reign forever... JESUS. For it is our job to continue spreading His Words just as was their job before us. We have to '[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Gather[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]' the lost sheep of the House of spiritual Israel as the Lord himself said. We areto join as ONE Fold, into '[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]His Encampment[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]' for the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]End-Time[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]. Where we await the coming of our Bridegroom in the air, for our [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Wedding Feast[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] in the Heavenlies.
The Lord's Bride is the woman in the wilderness who is protected and feed for 1260 days in preparing to meet her husband. She is the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]144,000[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] virgin brides that are wed to the King of Kings as his Bride. (SEE Rev 12, and [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]New Nation[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]) For the obedient Bride isn't composed of the disobedient or the nationalistic but those Christians from whatever background, culture, tribe, or nation that love Him with all their heart. It is a matter not of having the right bloodlines, but being washed in the 'Blood of the lamb' (SEE [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Salvation[/SIZE][SIZE=-1])
But let's go over almost a whole Chapter to show you this principle straight from an Old Testament Prophet...Hosea, who was told to marry a harlot, to show the Lord's love. My comments will be in .....(...)
Hosea 2:1-23
5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she thatconceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink. (Yes, the greatest whoredom is giving credit for our lives to things and materialism and a different God than our [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Creator[/SIZE][SIZE=-1])
6 Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths. 7 And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them: then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband; for then was it better with me than now. (Compare this exact same parallel with the lovers of the Whore, the materialistic nuclear power of Revelation 13,17,18) 8 For she did not know that I gave her corn, and wine, and oil, and multiplied her silver and gold, which they prepared for Baal. 9 Therefore will I return, and take away my corn in the time thereof, and my wine in the season thereof, and will recover my wool and my flax given to cover her nakedness. 10 And now will I discover her lewdness in the sight of her lovers, and none shall deliver her out of mine hand. (And none shall deliver the End-Time Whore out of the hand of the Lord as He punishes her with a fire in one hour. For she was drunk with power from her spiritual fornication with her many merchants)
11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts. 12 And I will destroy her vines and her fig trees, whereof she hath said, These are my rewards that my lovers have given me: and I will make them a forest, and the beasts of the field shall eat them. 13 And I will visit upon her the days of Baalim, wherein she burned incense to them, and she decked herself with her earrings and her jewels, and she went after her lovers, and forgat me, saith the LORD. (Yes America, and the rest of the nations will totally forget the Lord and His giving them their abundance, and will totally succumb to the false religion of materialism and this present life. And they shall accept the false Christ, the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Anti-Christ.
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]So if interested in going on further with Hosea and more exact and precise references to the Bride of Christ in the Old Testament and the Bridegroom'sProphecies concerning their eventual Union...please Click on [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]PART 2 of the Bride of Christ in the Old Testament[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
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Oh, you know. What appeals to Djj must objectively be good and what doesn't appeal to him must objectively be bad. You act like it's a subjective issue or something.
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DJJ, you ignored this question on another thread, but maybe it's more appropriate here, given the subject-
What's your connection to the Children of God / The Family? My skeptisense was tingling, and it turns out I was right. (I'll take my one million smackaroos now, please.)
What's your connection to the Children of God / The Family? My skeptisense was tingling, and it turns out I was right. (I'll take my one million smackaroos now, please.)
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Hee hee hee, if we spin him fast can we make him puke? Seems fair since he is making us puke with his drivel
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I was thinking more like seeing vomit on the street, but a train wreck will do nicely
E.T.A I see Kochanski has already conjured up that image
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He doesn't cast pearls before swine.... they have to deserve the right to know His most sacred Names.
Besides the Great I am was Jesus
I am the bread of life
I am the resurrection and life
I am the water of life
I am the way the truth and the life
And still people like yourself can't see it.
they have eyes to see and can not see, because their hearts aren't right
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Yea, I always wanted to be a missionary, and so joined them in England on the way to Italy before playing professional basketball.
But they kicked me out before long, as I kept reporting their immense sexual sins to their superiors, except the problem was their superiors were the ones who were the greateest sexual sinners.
This is where I found out where it is not at through personal experience.
Yet sex is good and pure, but their misuse of it is almost legendary and they have hated my guts for such exposure ever since. I've been out for over thirty years now, they have changed their name innumerable times, I think it is now TF.
You have to know where it ain't before you may find out where it is...
For we need a whole lot more than theory to base sexuallity and life upon.
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If I was created in God's image I guess God must be a pig
So knowing God is now a right and not something open to all people. He must have lied when he said
"... There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus..." Galatians 3:28
God is a pig and a lier
Kettle, pot, black
Just like your math, spelling, biology, etc, etc
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Simon, I can't post what happenned to another fellow who went way too far on line. As it might be deemed ********, but nevertheless it did happen, because he wrote things that you are now writing. for it is one thing to call me a pig and a devil and a demon, but when you call God a pig, you are going way tooo far.
You have superceeded his Mercy, so if I were you, I would EDIT out your remarks about God being a pig and a liar... Call me one ..... as the moderators allow that type of name calling, but the Lord doesn't when you call Him a pig.
Your choice. .... your responsibility
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