Jesse Ventura 9/11 Conspiracy Theories On TruTV

[cantonear1968]

Rodriguez Commission testimony was unavailable until NARA released the records early last year. Exactly the same thing applied to many people, though. "Behind closed doors" is a phrase used to make it sound like something significant is being hidden; now his testimony is available we can see that isn't the case.

Thanks MikeW. Maybe I'm stating the obvious here, but wouldn't a rational person look at that bit of misdirection, if I feel like being kind, or lie, if I don't, and not conclude that these people who are being held up as either leaders of the truth movement or eyewitnesses to the actual event are merely perpetuating a story, something they have no proof of, for their own gain?

Since I posted this I looked more into Rodriguez's claims on Mark Robert's website. It seems to me he never started making any claims about "bombs in the basement" until well after 2004 (probably even later). It reminds me of Kevin "countdown" McPhadden(sp?) who doesn't seem to make any claims about hearing a "countdown to implosion" until well into 2007, after the "Mike the EMT" emails came out. RKOwens posted a video of McPhadden(again, sp?) at the large 9/11/06 rally where he actually talked in front of the crowd AND MADE NO MENTION OF A COUNTDOWN!!

Which leads me back to what this thread is about: how can these people be used by Ventura when a minimum of research completely discredits them or at the very least makes their claims suspicious enough not to be used? That's what I meant in my first post about how Ventura seemed to have stepped back into 2006! He seems to be going with every tried and true truther argument that hasn't withstood any scrutiny in 8 years. And, oh how many more there are: squibs, molten "steel", pulverized concrete, pyroclastic flow, oxygen starved fire, fly over, 16' hole, Lloyd England.

I guess we can expect to see a "9/11 show" about fourth episode!

 

[Unsecured Coins]

I guess we can expect to see a "9/11 show" about fourth episode!

you musta missed the second episode

 

[cantonear1968]

you musta missed the second episode

LOL

I did miss it! I guess the ratings started to slip faster than I thought!

Are they all going to be about 9/11?

 

[MikeW]

Thow can these people be used by Ventura when a minimum of research completely discredits them or at the very least makes their claims suspicious enough not to be used?

I expect it's either because a) Ventura didn't do a minimum of research, or b) he doesn't care, though I suppose it might be both.

 

[carlitos]

He used to be was a fake wrestler in rigged matches with big theatrics. He's just applying that model to investigative journalism. Not a bad idea, really. It's a shame that dupes will believe his tripe though.

 

[cantonear1968]

I expect it's either because a) Ventura didn't do a minimum of research, or b) he doesn't care, though I suppose it might be both.

I would guess that Jesse is sincere in his belief that 9/11 was a conspiracy perpetrated by the US Govt; I've seen enough of him talking about this in the past 8 years to buy that part. I don't believe he is sincere with this show or the people he is presenting for his case, as has been previously stated, a minimal amount of research exposes them to be at least questionable enough in their accounts that they shouldn't be used:
(I especially loved the Mike Bellone part. We all know his story; but the "key witnesses" he can deliver who decide to back out when the cameras show up;
Mike Bellone:"What? They're here!? With cameras!? Oh @#$%!!!!")

I think Jesse is either willing to use whatever he needs to play to the truther "masses" to keep his show on the air, or, like most truthers, they will knowingly defend a lie rather than admit any chink in their armor.

 

[cantonear1968]

He used to be was a fake wrestler in rigged matches with big theatrics. He's just applying that model to investigative journalism. Not a bad idea, really. It's a shame that dupes will believe his tripe though.

I don't know how much play it's getting here on jref or any other forums, but it's already all over youtube. Every second rate truther who just finished watching Loose Change is quoting it to back up their claims.

It would be funny if it weren't so sad!

 

[RedIbis]

In a kinetic energy event of 130 tons of TNT where are the black boxes. This is the problem of truthers unable to grasp the value of 130 tons of TNT collapse. Lack of knowledge, lack of physics, lack of a coherent story, leaves 911 truth knowledge free, evidence free, logic free.

No need to debunk the delusions you bring, you have no point to make, you have no evidence.

When you bring something other than delusions you can ask for help in debunking. After 8 years not a single valid fact or idea from 911 truth; a big zero for truthers. Poor Jesse stirs the pot of stupid ideas and gets all the truthers excited; what a big let down after the show, nothing has changed, 911 truth remains evidence free for 8 years going on forever.

Why are you suggesting that the total forces of the collapse would be directed on each box?

If the boxes were in the plane, then they weren't at ground level to receive the full force of the collapse. You could only apply your clumsy analogy to the mass above the crash zone.

I asked before so I'll ask again, what is the current debunker theory for why the boxes disappeared without a trace?

Or, do you think it's more likely that their existence was not disclosed?

 

[DGM]

Why are you suggesting that the total forces of the collapse would be directed on each box?

If the boxes were in the plane, then they weren't at ground level to receive the full force of the collapse. You could only apply your clumsy analogy to the mass above the crash zone.

I asked before so I'll ask again, what is the current debunker theory for why the boxes disappeared without a trace?

Or, do you think it's more likely that their existence was not disclosed?

Compressed between the floor slabs. Like lots of other stuff.

 

[cantonear1968]

I asked before so I'll ask again, what is the current debunker theory for why the boxes disappeared without a trace?

Well, it could be that it was smashed beyond recognition with the impacts.

Or destroyed in fires beyond what it was designed for.

Or it could have been the 100,000 lbs/sqr inch of pressure from the collapse.

But I personally think it probably just got burned up when they ignited the thermite!

 

[carlitos]

Maybe the black boxes were made of nano-thermite - that stuff could be everywhere!

 

[A W Smith]

Why are you suggesting that the total forces of the collapse would be directed on each box?

If the boxes were in the plane, then they weren't at ground level to receive the full force of the collapse. You could only apply your clumsy analogy to the mass above the crash zone.

I asked before so I'll ask again, what is the current debunker theory for why the boxes disappeared without a trace?

Or, do you think it's more likely that their existence was not disclosed?

clumsy clumsy bird. It they were in the basements they would be more likely to survive. In the impact zone not only are they in a fire. and had to travel through the perimeter columns. But once the collapse initiated. they were subject to between 77 and 99 repeated impacts with the floors below them. and 11 to 33 floors above them.


http://www.history.com/video.do?nam...=1767981841&bclid=1799109305&bctid=1604855710

 

[Furcifer]

I think Jesse is either willing to use whatever he needs to play to the truther "masses" to keep his show on the air, or, like most truthers, they will knowingly defend a lie rather than admit any chink in their armor.

This is exactly right. Much like the Truth movement, former Governor Jesse Ventura's career is in it's last death throws. It's sad too, I kinda liked the guy. He seemed straight forward and a rather pleasant departure from regular politicians.

I got banned from the TruTV website for suggesting some kid ranting about the US government consider educating himself. Jesse Ventura in my mind is now associated with some of the most un-American activities imaginable, including censorship and misrepresentation of facts. Acts deliberately intended to deceive the American people.

 

[cantonear1968]

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Jesse Ventura in my mind is now associated with some of the most un-American activities imaginable, including censorship and misrepresentation of facts.

It's funny you say that because I just observed elsewhere that the ones who are the loudest about "defending freedom" are the ones who are the quickest to accuse you of being a shill and call for your arrest, conviction & imprisonment and/or execution with absolutely no evidence to base it on! Nice Free Society! As long as you do what they say!

I don't have a problem with someone who questions 9/11. They can conduct all the investigations on their own that they want. What I never understood is how they equate possessing the ability relieve them of whatever delusion they have with suppressing freedom!!??

 

[A W Smith]

I got banned from the TruTV website for suggesting some kid ranting about the US government consider educating himself. Jesse Ventura in my mind is now associated with some of the most un-American activities imaginable, including censorship and misrepresentation of facts. Acts deliberately intended to deceive the American people.

Me too. LOL it degenerated into nothing more that a youtube comment debate. When the hosts saw how we made complete asses out of the fans and show, they had to cut us loose.

 

[cantonear1968]

I agree with your comments about Ventura being a politician outside the box. But I really cannot take anything about this show seriously. Not just because of the subject matter but because the show I watched was ridiculous in its pandering. From the fake "skeptic" on his staff (kind of the like the "liberal" Colmes on Fox News) to his skulking around the docks to get a shot of the WTC steel! With the "dust they don't want you to see!"

 

[Arus808]

actually, im still on there; was "banned" for a short time due to a confusion over the holiday hiatus they had on the board, since I was reporting spammers, and the moderator "banned" me thinking that I was a spammer. emailed to get the ban lifted with a response from the moderator about the confusion.

I even asked the moderator if what the debunkers were doing on the Jesse forum was in violation and they said no. The only thing that they don't like is of course name calling and harassing, and threats of violence. You can appeal your ban if you provide your side of the argument. I haven't posted in a while, since I had better things to do on my holiday vacation than to fight with idiots on their forums (which only has 300 posts).

May have to pop my head in for a bit, to fight some of the more, repeated long debunked claims.

Killtown is there too, so there has to be some active debunking to stop his lies.

 

[A W Smith]

actually, im still on there; was "banned" for a short time due to a confusion over the holiday hiatus they had on the board, since I was reporting spammers, and the moderator "banned" me thinking that I was a spammer. emailed to get the ban lifted with a response from the moderator about the confusion.

I even asked the moderator if what the debunkers were doing on the Jesse forum was in violation and they said no. The only thing that they don't like is of course name calling and harassing, and threats of violence. You can appeal your ban if you provide your side of the argument. I haven't posted in a while, since I had better things to do on my holiday vacation than to fight with idiots on their forums (which only has 300 posts).

May have to pop my head in for a bit, to fight some of the more, repeated long debunked claims.

Killtown is there too, so there has to be some active debunking to stop his lies.

I'm content to let them stew in their sewer. My banning freed me up to explore other forum subjects regarding work, vehicles, and hobbies i enjoy. A tee-vee showed geared to promote conspiracy theories is not going to attract critical thinkers. Debunking them in such a forum is like trying to keep flies off feces. May as well let it decompose. The show will be gone by 2011, Count on it. Then the maggots will search for a fresh steaming loaf to lay their eggs on.

 

[cantonear1968]

Well, I just saw the boys on Mythbusters reference this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNx_f6DoyPg

I guess this will be the next scenario leaped on by Jones/ Gage et al. Apparently "they" loaded ice around all the columns before they lit off the thermite!

 

[Walter Ego]

Ventura's aggressively stupid show is god-awful even by the low standards of trash tv. It sucks canal water.

The odd thing about the episodes I've seen is that Ventura seems to have been dropped into the show and has very little to do with producing the content. In the show on HAARP he admitted (on air, mind you) that he had only heard about HAARP a week before filming began when he read the "research."

One must conclude that Venture is (a.) a complete idiot or (b.) that he doesn't mind looking like a complete idiot on national tv is the paycheck is big enough.

Here a review of one episode from the highly recommended Leaving Alex Jonestown blog.

Watch this clip of Alex Jones talking about the New World Order depopulation agenda on Jesse Ventura's TV show Conspiracy Theory, then tell me if that isn't the hokiest piece of television you've seen in a long time. Jones is described as Ventura's "source". They meet "privately" in a bar, surrounded by a film crew. Jones lays out an abridged version of his theory that They - represented in this particular show by the Bilderberg Group - want to kill 80% of us (I guess 99% was too scary even for a cable channel), without giving a single source for his information. Ventura pretends he's hearing all this for the first time. Then, rather than asking any hardball questions about this stuff, he says, "So it's like The Godfather?".

Conspiracy Theory airs on TruTV, formerly Court TV. Instead of getting trial coverage and recaps of famous trials, we're now getting conspiracy theories from professional paranoids. Yet Jones complains on the show that They control our culture and our media for Their own ends?

By the way, TruTV is owned by Turner Broadcasting (a subsidiary of Time Warner). Jones has identified Ted Turner as one of the "eugenicists" who want to kill us all. But then, in Jones' world, every liberal wants to do that: During his February '09 interview of Dr. Stanley Monteith, Jones told his audience that if you take any liberal aside and mention Margaret Sanger or Madame Blavatsky to him, the liberal will snarl, "That's right, you sonofabitch, and we're gonna get you too. We've gotta exterminate the blacks and the Mexicans."

Edit:
Reading the above quote again I realized that Ventura is pretending to be an uninformed idiot who is shocked, shocked that They are up to all this nefarious plotting. In other words, it's cynical show biz manipulation of a gullible audience.