Jason Bermas Back-Pedelling.

[Brainster]

Please don't take offense to this but I don't think you should take part in the 9/11 debate. I saw your show with Les Jamison and was less than impressed with your arguments.

I appreciate the amount of respect you offer conspiracy theorists but you should have taken that opportunity to mop the floor with that retard.

He was one of the tools I thoroughly dismantled at Union Square. You need to learn to call a liar a liar. He made up a few things in that interview with you and you didn't call him on any of it. You seemed more able to quote Gravy's paper which is fine and dandy but my opinion is you should get someone as qualified as Gravy on the matter to be on "our side" and just be a fair moderator.

I disagree. Ron did a controlled demolition on Les, and for once, even the Deniers agreed that it was a knockout. Check out the comments section on this post at 9-11 Blogger. Ron says that he was mostly a novice to 9-11 Denial at the time and he has learned a lot since then. I am 100% confident in his ability to handle Bermas and Rowe on his own. With Gravy at his side, it's going to be a slaughter.

One of the things I loved about Ron's interview was the way he would introduce a typically loony part of the CT and ask Les, "Now, you don't believe that, do you?" and Les would be forced to give an embarrassed smile and admit that yes, indeed he did believe it. Just plain terrific. I've always felt that defending the official story takes a lot of hard work (which Gravy and a few others have done); debunking the CT is quite a bit easier.

Anyway, Ron's not going to be able to change the rules of the debate at this stage without giving Dylan's buddies an opportunity to back out.

 

[Calcas]

From you yes.

Temporarily.

Craig, (which seems to be your name since it's on your NAME TAG on one of your pics), please feel free to forward your evidence to me and I will see to it that my colleagues review it for you first before you step into that BIG pile of doo doo that you seem to be destined for...

And, BTW.

Yosemite National Forest? Have California public schools really deteriorated that much? You aren't even taught the difference between a park and a forest?

 

[The_Fire]

Yosemite National Forest?

Ouch.....

 

[Kent1]

Wrong.

This has nothing to do with the FDR.

No witnesses were coerced or manipulated at all.

This will be evident from the interviews and from the identities of the witnesses themselves.

Just witness testimony?

 

[beachnut]

Unverifiable evidence.

I am certain that people will believe what we present more.

Not a single jrefer will be able to doubt it unless you come up with some ludicrous conspiracy theory.

Truth Warrior, it is verified. Yours seems to be eye witness testimony and you forgot to take them to the scene. Do you have the right gas station?

 

[Arus808]

Truth Warrior, it is verified. Yours seems to be eye witness testimony and you forgot to take them to the scene. Do you have the right gas station?

and that they remember exactly where they were standing and facing and actually know what was north vs south at the time it happened?

Please, I can barely remember which is north or south when i take the wrong freaking freeway exit and have to find the next onramp.

 

[Alt+F4]

Do you have proof that many people were involved?

Did all of these people actually collect the DNA from the pentagon themselves?

Were ANY of them at the pentagon at all?

Where is your evidence for any of this?

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/

http://radiology.rsnajnls.org/cgi/reprint/223/1/7.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3912/is_200209/ai_n9086520

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/11/september11/main521560.shtml

http://www.ftechi.com/newsroom.html

http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div831/strbase/pub_pres/Edson2004.pdf

 

[beachnut]

Do you have proof that many people were involved?

Did all of these people actually collect the DNA from the pentagon themselves?

Were ANY of them at the pentagon at all?

Where is your evidence for any of this?

And where is your proof it was not. (my goodness you are a virtual nest of CT junk, you must be doing lots of drugs and thus you can not go to the FBI with your proof!) (I have to confess, after your posts I need a lot of drugs to make it to Saturday! TGIF)

It is correct, if you have evidence you better contact the FBI. If you release real stuff you will be in jail soon for withholding evidence Mr Truth Warrior!

 

[pomeroo]

Lying Liars

No offense taken, Scientologist. You raise a good point. I've always defined a lie as an untrue statement that is known to be untrue by the person making it. We all occasionally say things that turn out to be incorrect. The liars, by avoiding direct questions and by distorting and falsifying data, demonstrate that they know they're peddling snake oil.

 

[stateofgrace]

Do you have proof that many people were involved?

Did all of these people actually collect the DNA from the pentagon themselves?

Were ANY of them at the pentagon at all?

Where is your evidence for any of this?

Oh my the corner stone of the conspirator. Brilliant, Tripper simply ignore everything that makes you look stupid.

So Tripper if your explosive new evidence is to go anywhere, then we have believe the following

1. The DNA was not there, or planted.
2. The lampposts were staged.
3. The plane parts found at the Pentagon were planted or faked.
4. The black boxes found at the Pentagon were planted.
5. The black boxes that were planted had the wrong data on them.
6. The forensic scientists are in on it or where not there.
7. The aircraft investigators were not there or are in on it.
8. Everybody who turned up to help is in on it.
9. All the eyewitnesses who saw Flight 77 hit the posts are in on it or mistaken.
10.All the eyewitnesses who saw the Flight 77 hit the Pentagon are lying or in on it.
11. You are not with holding vital information and have phoned the authorities
12. You are in fact an ok guy who is in fear for his life.
13. You are not paranoid.

Anything else you wish to add?

 

[T.A.M.]

Ron:

The Les Jameson take down was nothing. It was great dont get me wrong, as I have always contended, with little 9/11 knowledge you had him totally unable to defend anything. that is my point. Now, with so much research and debate in the specifics under your belt, and with Mark by your side, it is a no brainer. I say odds of the LTW fellows showing up are 3:1 against it.

oh, and guys, should I get on my knees and pray that you folks dont feed this same troll (lyte) on the same issue as we all did last time that turned into 35 pages of crap.

TAM

 

[beachnut]

In addition, Lyte the Truth Warrior has to ignore the fact the damage to the Pentagon is exactly what a 757 would do to the Pentagon at the speed it hit and the fuel it carried.

So the engine in the living room in OKC was not place there by the big tornado, it was dropped by the OKC guard from a C-130; a special air drop using the big tornado as cover!

What is your stuff mr warrior, I can not wait for 31 days!

 

[pomeroo]

Jes' Anutha Liah

Permit me to state for the record that Lyte Trip is yet another fraud who has zero evidence for his fantasies.

 

[W6102LA]

I can't speak for other people in the movement but here is what I believe.

None of the firefighters were in on it and Silverstein did not "order" the demolition but he did know about it.

High level federal operatives told the fire deptartment that their specialists had determined the building would collapse and to get their people out of the way.

Silverstein knew that it was an obvious demolition and made his famous quote to cover his butt so if it came back he could say....."they told me they were going to pull it.......I just said go ahead and do it".

Translation: oh gee...i think it's time for me to move the goalposts again

 

[jhunter1163]

Someone should tell JDX that Lyte is challenging his precious FDR data. That would make for a heck of a show.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

For those just tuning in:

The first page and a half of this thread was mostly light-hearted chuckling over Jason Bermas sticking his foot in his mouth and slandering both himself and the FDNY yet again.

The remaining 4 pages are all Lyte Trip "pulling it" in public.

 

[beachnut]

so true

 

[jhunter1163]

For those just tuning in:

The first page and a half of this thread was mostly light-hearted chuckling over Jason Bermas sticking his foot in his mouth and slandering both himself and the FDNY yet again.

The remaining 4 pages are all Lyte Trip "pulling it" in public.

This is a good idea. Posting little synopses of the threads, that is. Not Lyte pulling it. No. Never. BAD visual.

Now I gotta go wash my brain out with soap.

 

[Gravy]

Just read the OP and had to comment. Sorry if this has already been covered.

And, of course, within one hour of posting, our good buddies at SLC and JREF, who do not deserve a mention let alone a link, call this "back-pedaling." No, this is called, "admitting to a mistake and apologizing for it."

It then moved to the firefighters and some how I said "The firefighters are paid off", and then cited how many of them discussed the bombs in the days after.

Um, no. He claimed they discussed bombs. He didn't cite any firefighter who believes this. The only one I know of is Sentinel, AKA Paul Isaac Jr.

Gee, I wonder what made Bermas change his mind?

 

[Lyte Trip]

Someone should tell JDX that Lyte is challenging his precious FDR data. That would make for a heck of a show.

Incorrect.

Rob does not claim the FDR is an accurate representation of how the plane flew.

He is simply asking for an explanation for it's discrepancies with the official story.

No matter how you slice it the hard, relevant, and important data such as altitude is way off. Period.