It's Homeopathy Awareness Week!

[Psiload]

Which website? I can't see them on www.ccst.co.uk

I found this article by Julian Cowan Hill:

http://www.craniosacral.co.uk/articles/tinitus.pdf

Linked from here:

http://www.craniosacral.co.uk/fulcrum.html

This is the kind of "research" that The Fulcrum deems worthy to publish.

This particular passage is very telling:

Scroll down to the last page, Page 9.

However, I have come up against a brick wall. I do not understand why some people go through life-changing changes with CST, whereas others just get a minor sense of relaxation, never to come back again. If I could be specific about the sort of person best suited to CST, then I could create a realistic sample group for the project. I was surprised to learn that it is valid to choose a specific sample group for research purposes, working with people that respond well to CST. This would produce far more usefull results than selecting an arbitrary group of people where half may not even respond to cranial contact.

 

[Donks]

...snip...
This particular passage is very telling:

Scroll down to the last page, Page 9.
...snip...

Well it's much easier to get the results you want if you start by picking the right subjects. Otherwise you have to do all that massaging to the data, clear the restrictions that prevent your data from supporting your conclusion.

 

[Ashles]

I was surprised to learn that it is valid to choose a specific sample group for research purposes, working with people that respond well to CST. This would produce far more usefull results than selecting an arbitrary group of people where half may not even respond to cranial contact.

I too am surpised to learn that.
You'd think that when testing some form of treatment entirely based on subjective experience you would need some form of control or standardisation. But luckily not.

Excellent - I shall resume my research into the effect of eating hamburgers on influenza.
I shall restrict my study to those who recovered from influenza shortly after eating hamburgers.

It wouldn't make any sense to include people who ate a hamburger, then continued to have flu for a while. It might make my data look all wrong.

 

[Nucular]

Yes,

Of course it's 'valid', if that type of sampling method suits your research question, and you can explicitly justify it. Clearly if your research question is "do people with tinnitus who receive CST recover more quickly than those who receive placebo-CST?", then it's wouldn't be at all valid, except to make sure you've selected people with tinnitus.

Does this guy even have GCSE science?

 

[sackett]

I'm starting to like Sarah!

Sarah, next time I’m in London, can we arrange a session at my hotel? I’ll bring certain items of attire that I want you to wear; you can keep them afterwards.

I also have a number of bad habits that need strict discipline, but we’ll talk about that another time.

 

[Sarah-I]

Well guys, I have had the most wonderful Shiatsu treatment this afternoon and have just got back from my Tai Chi class, so I am feeling great and have boundless stores of energy.

How about you?

 

[Psiload]

Well guys, I have had the most wonderful Shiatsu treatment this afternoon and have just got back from my Tai Chi class, so I am feeling great and have boundless stores of energy.

How about you?

I went for a six mile run on my lunch break. Now I'm making myself a nice fresh lobster salad for dinner, and later I'll probably go for a moonlight bombing run through the cemetary on my mountain bike, followed up by a nice, relaxing soak in the hot tub. 40 years old, and I feel like I'm twenty.

All this without the aid of mythical Chinese bio-energy.

How do I do it?

Must be all the ORMUS I've been inhaling lately.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Homeopathy is:-

- a well established and complete system of medicine which has been in world wide use for over 200 years;

- a natural, safe, effective and scientific system of healing which supports the body's natural desire to heal itself;

- a holistic approach to health, which incorporates the emotional and mental aspects of a persons well-being in addition to the physical

In some cases yes, I have found the homeopathy to be ineffective and craniosacral therapy to be more effective

A prediction:

In some cases yes, I have found the craniosacral therapy to be ineffective and shiatsu to be more effective

That's the wonderful world of woo. No regrets. No memory.

 

[Asolepius]

Well guys, I have had the most wonderful Shiatsu treatment this afternoon and have just got back from my Tai Chi class, so I am feeling great and have boundless stores of energy.

How about you?

In the pink, and thanks for asking. I have had an interesting day critically appraising clinical trial results, which is one of the things I do for a living. Of course, in my line of business I'm expected to give straight answers to questions, and I would not have lasted 31 years in it unless I did. So mentally and physically I feel absolutely top notch, and have no need of mystical-sounding `health' fads and fashions. I presume you are never going to answer my question about the 22 PubMed citations? You see, it's extremely easy to believe something by simply ignoring what's inconvenient to hear. In my job, I have to treat all evidence with the same degree of circumspection. If you get anything at all out of exchanges like this one, you should learn that scepticism is positive and good. Blind faith is the most dangerous thing that humanity ever invented. But you must have heard all that before on this board, and it's tragic that you and so many others refuse to think critically.

 

[Nucular]

Well guys, I have had the most wonderful Shiatsu treatment this afternoon and have just got back from my Tai Chi class, so I am feeling great and have boundless stores of energy.

How about you?

Tired, stressed, pasty and cross. I've been working much too hard on a clinical psychology thesis proposal, which may or may not be accepted tomorrow. 26 and feel 62.

Damn that real science, pretend lovely science is so much easier!

Thanks for asking.

 

[Sarah-I]

No, its called practitioner development and I have found at times that craniosacral therapy is more beneficial than homeopathy and vice versa. I still practice both, perhaps more cranial at the moment though.

I still cycle too. As for mythical energy. It is not mythical at all. It is there and exists in all of us. You just need to be sensitive and receptive enough to be able to access it. It is blatantly obvious that you are not.

 

[Sarah-I]

I worked as a nurse for about 20 years and worked in such specialities as HDU and renal. During my time as a nurse I have conducted research and critically appraised it too.

It is because of this and the fact that I am critical that I trained as a craniosacral therapist in the first place.

I will look up references tomorrow if and when I get a chance, but I have a very busy clinic tomorrow.

 

[Perpetual Notion]

No, its called practitioner development and I have found at times that craniosacral therapy is more beneficial than homeopathy and vice versa. I still practice both, perhaps more cranial at the moment though.

I still cycle too. As for mythical energy. It is not mythical at all. It is there and exists in all of us. You just need to be sensitive and receptive enough to be able to access it. It is blatantly obvious that you are not.

So if you don't believe in this energy the CST won't work?

 

[Ashles]

I worked as a nurse for about 20 years and worked in such specialities as HDU and renal. During my time as a nurse I have conducted research and critically appraised it too.

It is because of this and the fact that I am critical that I trained as a craniosacral therapist in the first place.

I will look up references tomorrow if and when I get a chance, but I have a very busy clinic tomorrow.

We understand - these ground breaking, science-redefining research studies are always easy to forget.

I don't suppose there is any vague, remote, far-fetched chance there could be any attempt by you to try and explain what you mean by 'energy'?

 

[Eos of the Eons]

I went and worked at different parts of her body where I felt there were restrictions which did include the neck.

Again,

What restrictions?

Ah, and I've never had a computer program without pre-programmed "results" nuh uh.

Foot pedals? I bet they weren't even hooked up to anything meaningful.

 

[Rolfe]

I don't suppose there is any vague, remote, far-fetched chance there could be any attempt by you to try and explain what you mean by 'energy'?

ADP + phosphocreatine -> ATP + creatine ?

Rolfe.

 

[aggle-rithm]

ADP + phosphocreatine -> ATP + creatine ?

Rolfe.

E = mc squared?

 

[Rolfe]

E = mc squared?

That works too!

Rolfe.

 

[Ashles]

Don't be silly that's not what energy is.

Definition of energy from American Journal of Modern Biochemistry Vol 84 - Apendix IV: Glossary and terms
Energy: You know energy. That stuff that, you know, when you feel all energetic. It's in auras and things and you can feel it. Like when you get negative energy, that's when you're feeling down. It's sort of in cells and stuff but flows around you too. It needs channelling sometimes and it can be in the air. Everything has energy a bit, but humans have energy flowing round them in sort of streams. The streams can get blocked and then that's bad because energy needs to flow. Or something. I don't know just stop asking me about it. Be more open minded. Yu'll understand what I'm talking about if you free your mind a bit more and- oh look kittens!

 

[Psiload]

As for mythical energy. It is not mythical at all. It is there and exists in all of us. You just need to be sensitive and receptive enough to be able to access it. It is blatantly obvious that you are not.

Well, I'm convinced.