It's Homeopathy Awareness Week!

Yes, Hans, I know very well about burden of proof. I am neither dishonest or a scatterbrain, but I cannot post for the timebeing as I have the migraine from hell, which is possibly why that last post was so all over the place.
 
CFLarsen said:
How is your migraine doing?
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Did you get psychic on us, Larsen, or am I missing a clue?

Or are you really that good of a cold reader?

Just curious.
 
Sarah-I said:
Yes, Hans, I know very well about burden of proof. I am neither dishonest or a scatterbrain, but I cannot post for the timebeing as I have the migraine from hell, which is possibly why that last post was so all over the place.
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ERGO: Scatterbrain. You claim it is temporary, which I doubt.

Anyhow, my sympathies, migraine is horrible, better consult a homeopath or a CS therapists, I'm sure they can help :D.

I have a hint about what to do when you can't post: Don't.

Hans
 
Sarah-I said:
Craniosacral therapy has never been demonstrated not to be true. In fact, to the contrary, Upledger has done research over the last 20 years that proves the opposite.

He has teamed up with other scientists, the physicist Zvi Karni and Upledger conducted research together, with Karni even making a machine for measurements that correlated everything on the graph that Upledger was feeling whilst treating patients.

So no, craniosacral therapy has never been demonstrated not to work.
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You are still not getting this are you? Yes I know this is the 4th time I have said this but why do you ignore direct questions? Do you have the slightest idea of what scientific investigation really is? The point you are totally missing is that a credible body of knowledge has to show that CST does work. It is not a matter of anyone having to prove it doesn't - the onus is on you to provide evidence that it does. Your last sentence amply demonstrates your woeful lack of understanding. Even the best-accepted orthodox therapies will have some results somewhere suggesting they don't work - there are never any absolutes in medical research. Now I am going to ask some more direct questions and I guarantee that you won't give direct answers.

1. Which reputable researchers have verified Upledger's results, and published them in peer-reviewed journals?
2. How many of the PubMed citations (now 23) on CST show that it works?
3. How many of those 23 citations verify, using rigorous methodology, that CST practitioners can detect what they claim to detect?

CST is not science, and your postings show that it is far closer to a religion. We are not going to get you to change your mind, because your belief is based on irrationality and emotion. My heart sinks if this is what guides the human race today.
 
Sarah-I said:
Yes, Hans, I know very well about burden of proof. I am neither dishonest or a scatterbrain, but I cannot post for the timebeing as I have the migraine from hell, which is possibly why that last post was so all over the place.
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You must have a continuous migraine, then.
 
MRC_Hans said:
In all fairness, I never met anybody who got migraines at convinient times.

But, as you also notice, Sarah's seem to be rather continuous ;).

Hans
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One might get the idea that these migraines are caused by uncomfortable questions.

But, no, that can't be, because why would Sarah then complain so much about her migraines rendering her unable to respond if she seems to be able to beat that migraine, only to post about how she cannot post because of her migraine?
 
I know that migraines vary from person to person, but when I have an attack there's not a chance in hell that I'd be able to type anything, mainly because I wouldn't be able to see the keyboard! :(

Sadly a lot of people whinge about having migraines, when what they actually have is a fairly bad headache. :mad:
 
Sarah, don't worry: I have a cure for migraines.

Two cups of hot water a day until it's gone. I guarantee your migraine will be gone within a day or two, thus proving the efficacy of my treatment. This treatment may be augmented with a nice head massage if so you wish.

I can send you details of my thermoaqual therapy diploma course if you like.
 
CFLarsen said:
One might get the idea that these migraines are caused by uncomfortable questions.

Well, some have it with diesel oil, some with certain kinds of food. So why not uncomfortable questions :rolleyes:.

OTOH, we might then say that Sarah actually gets her migraines at very convinient times ;).

But, no, that can't be, because why would Sarah then complain so much about her migraines rendering her unable to respond if she seems to be able to beat that migraine, only to post about how she cannot post because of her migraine?

Let's see .... mmm .... ehr .. I suppose so :dio:
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Hans
 
wollery said:
Sadly a lot of people whinge about having migraines, when what they actually have is a fairly bad headache. :mad:
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While I agree that it's irritating that a migraine is seen as a bad case of headache (Like 'flu' and 'cold'), I would like to note that you are being just as dismissive of legitimate 'bad headaches'. I have literally been incoherent with pain, nauseous, weak, the whole nine yards, and I equally well dislike people who assume it can't have been that bad 'because it's just a headache' :)


Back on topic:

I wonder if the 'believe in yourself' movement has given us this disservice of alternative medicine. I've noticed it with a ferw people now - it's not simply 'hey, it worked for me!' but an actual religious conviction that truth can only be found in personal experience.
 
Asolepius said:
You are still not getting this are you? Yes I know this is the 4th time I have said this but why do you ignore direct questions? Do you have the slightest idea of what scientific investigation really is? The point you are totally missing is that a credible body of knowledge has to show that CST does work. It is not a matter of anyone having to prove it doesn't - the onus is on you to provide evidence that it does. Your last sentence amply demonstrates your woeful lack of understanding. Even the best-accepted orthodox therapies will have some results somewhere suggesting they don't work - there are never any absolutes in medical research. Now I am going to ask some more direct questions and I guarantee that you won't give direct answers.

1. Which reputable researchers have verified Upledger's results, and published them in peer-reviewed journals?
2. How many of the PubMed citations (now 23) on CST show that it works?
3. How many of those 23 citations verify, using rigorous methodology, that CST practitioners can detect what they claim to detect?

CST is not science, and your postings show that it is far closer to a religion. We are not going to get you to change your mind, because your belief is based on irrationality and emotion. My heart sinks if this is what guides the human race today.
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I think that post needs to be kept in NHCoraHSarah's line of sight for when she returns and we need to remember that yet again she has engaged in some vague hand-waving about some research that has supposedly been done, while refusing to acknowledge the peer-reviewed material that does exist.

Has anyone else noticed that one of her main tactics is to express offence that she has been accused of actively lying or misrepresenting when she simply ignores questions and problems and answers only the easy questions as if the difficult ones don't exist? Someone sympathetic to her cause might see her absence of answers as just that, a mere absence. It is quite hard to make the accusations of lying, evading and misrepresentation stick on the basis of a single exchange. However, her pattern of avoidance has been so long term and so thorough that I think we have the right by now to describe the absence of answers as an active refusal to answer and to describe her persistent patting back of only the easy questions as an active attempt to represent her non-answers as if they were answers to the hard questions. What makes her a tricksy disputant is that most of her misrepresentations are of this passive type. She has been caught out in active lies, but her majority tactics are these more indirect forms of evasion.

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Sarah-I said:
Yes, Hans, I know very well about burden of proof. I am neither dishonest or a scatterbrain, but I cannot post for the timebeing as I have the migraine from hell, which is possibly why that last post was so all over the place.
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I hope it gets better, but one must wonder where that "complete gentle cure"<sup>tm</sup> of homeopathy is when you need it.
 
Badly Shaved Monkey said:
...her majority tactics are these more indirect forms of evasion.
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If her claim that posting an explanation of homeopathy would violate patient confidentiality isn't

a) blatant evasion and

b) obviously untrue

then, to quote Ian Hislop, I'm a banana.

Edited to add this link to my most recent request that Sarah posts the "full explanation of homeopathy" she claims to give all her patients when they arrive for their initial consultation.

How about it, Sarah?
 
Mojo said:
If her claim that posting an explanation of homeopathy would violate patient confidentiality isn't

a) blatant evasion and

b) obviously untrue

then, to quote Ian Hislop, I'm a banana.
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Good point.
 
Oh look, here's an interesting thing:

http://www.craniosacral.com/

From the front page of the international Craniosacral site:

By complementing the body's natural healing processes, CST is increasingly used as a preventive health measure for its ability to bolster resistance to disease, and is effective for a wide range of medical problems associated with pain and dysfunction, including:

Migraine Headaches
Chronic Neck and Back Pain
Motor-Coordination Impairments
Colic

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(bolding mine)

Migraine headaches are described as the very first ailment which this 'preventative' therapy can help.

The very concept of a craniosacral therapist unable to post coherently on the subject of craniosacral therapy because of a migraine strikes me as likely to break any irony-meters in the Northern Hemisphere.

Good work for Craniosacral Therapy Awareness Week!
 
The proper method of dealing with problems that interfere with your ability to post.

When problem first occurs: "I'm having problem X. I won't be able to post answers for a while."

Delay...

First post after delay: Answers for at least some of the questions.

In Sarah's case, the number of empty and pointless posts she puts up are far more damning than any migrane-related silence could be interpreted to be.

So, Sarah, write down the questions and come back after you've answered at least some of them.
 
Ashles said:
Oh look, here's an interesting thing:

http://www.craniosacral.com/

From the front page of the international Craniosacral site:


(bolding mine)

Migraine headaches are described as the very first ailment which this 'preventative' therapy can help.
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This could leave them scratching their heads for an answer.
 
Mojo said:
If her claim that posting an explanation of homeopathy would violate patient confidentiality isn't

a) blatant evasion and

b) obviously untrue

then, to quote Ian Hislop, I'm a banana.

Edited to add this link to my most recent request that Sarah posts the "full explanation of homeopathy" she claims to give all her patients when they arrive for their initial consultation.

How about it, Sarah?
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It is also ironic that these analyses of personal motivation are invited precisely because she does not provide substantive answers to the things we would like to be discussing, namely the claims of the therapies themselves.
 
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